Author Topic: Arsenal from Visionary (Read 1947 times)

wer4u2nv · « **on:** November 05, 2007, 10:57:25 PM »

What would be a good 2 or 3 ball arsenal from Visionary. I have access to get any of the balls ever made by this company and want to know what balls you all would suggest most? I was considering the Ogre, Ogre pearl, Frankie May, Green Blue Centaur any of the Gargoyles etc.

darkman · « **Reply #1 on:** November 06, 2007, 07:16:37 AM »

The best balls would likely depend on your style but in any case i'd say the Green Blue Centaur would cover light to medium - from what I can tell this reactive never rolls out. For the medium to Heavy conditions I'd pick up the Granite Gargoyle. If your looking for major skid snap stuff then look else where the balls I mentioned would be more smooth and still have a powerfull hit that visionary and faball are and were famous for. Also I think those two balls could cover just about any condition you face. If you want to add a third ball you could get a Pearl Ogre for medium. However, if it were me I would pick up a Slate Blue Gargoyle because in my opinion you just can't be urethane. Well there is my 2 cents. Hope it gives you some ideas.

Rock77 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 06, 2007, 08:12:19 AM »

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The best balls would likely depend on your style but in any case i'd say the Green Blue Centaur would cover light to medium - from what I can tell this reactive never rolls out. For the medium to Heavy conditions I'd pick up the Granite Gargoyle. If your looking for major skid snap stuff then look else where the balls I mentioned would be more smooth and still have a powerfull hit that visionary and faball are and were famous for. Also I think those two balls could cover just about any condition you face. If you want to add a third ball you could get a Pearl Ogre for medium. However, if it were me I would pick up a Slate Blue Gargoyle because in my opinion you just can't be urethane. Well there is my 2 cents. Hope it gives you some ideas.

Skip the Granite Gargoyle and go with the AMB Particle instead. The GG isn't a bad ball, but the AMB Particle is better for oil. Plus the GG is retired and Visonary doesn't even have any left in their discontinued balls.
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While the AMB Particle is a better ball for oil, it probably wouldn't get much use on anything unless you see floods on a regular basis. Personally, if you want a ball that will give you more use on med/hvy, go with a Frankie May Gryphon. You may need to alter the cover just a bit as the 400 grit OOB surface is a bit much. I'd also look into an Ogre for a medium ball, but again, you will have to take the cover up a bit from the 600 grit OOB surface. As for a med/light ball, while I don't have one yet, I think that the Blue/Green Centaur would be your best bet. Those three balls ought to allow you to cover most conditions except for extremes.
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tommymo · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2007, 09:01:52 AM »

Here's my two cents. . . I can only give you my opinion on the balls I've used. I like the Frankie May Gryphon at 1000 grit abralon, Ogre Pearl oob, and B/G Centaur oob as my 3 ball line up. The FMG is good for the med/heavy-med patterns, for me the 400 grit surface was way too much, so the 1000 grit gave it a few more feet down lane without sacrificing the balls reaction. Once you start leaving weak corner pins you know it's time to switch. The Ogre Pearl is my favorite ball. It offers the length but isn't just skid/snap. The ball is controlable and is a must on most medium THS. You will get differing opinions on the first 2 balls, but most will tell you that the B/G Centaur is a no brainer. Great for light oil and very controlled. It's a ball every bowler, tournament bowler or "house hack", should have in their bag. No matter what you choose for balls is fine, the fact is that you've picked a winner with Visionary.

P.S. If you lack hand, don't forget about the Immortal line, the Solid and Pearl are a great 1-2 punch (so I've heard) I own the Pearl and I like the reaction it gives me.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2007, 09:05:58 AM »

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Here's my two cents. . . I can only give you my opinion on the balls I've used.

Why stop there tommymo.......lots of people give opinions and have never used the equipment nor know anything about the player that is asking for info. becuase they don't state anything about their game...maybe because they don't know anything about their game or how to state it.
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tommymo · « **Reply #5 on:** November 06, 2007, 09:22:38 AM »

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Here's my two cents. . . I can only give you my opinion on the balls I've used.
Why stop there tommymo.......lots of people give opinions and have never used the equipment nor know anything about the player that is asking for info. becuase they don't state anything about their game...maybe because they don't know anything about their game or how to state it.
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Umm . . . Sure. I know my game and so I'll tell you what works for me. Then again you might want to disregaurd anything I say . . . I'm LEFT handed

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REvans284 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 06, 2007, 09:27:12 AM »

If you want something very smooth and easy to control for any med. condition and all out really a benchmark ball the Violet Gargoyle is a good choice (as you say you have access to any ball). That is still my personal favorite ball, and mine is 4 years old and it still hits as hard as it did the first day I got it (I wish they hadn't discontinued it). I never really did like the Frankie May but I believe its due to the way it was drilled and was too jumpy for my liking off the dry. I should have drilled it weaker but my ball driller insisted it would work well for me the that way..

I haven't tried any of the newer balls such as the immortal's or the ogre's but I am considering doing so in the future. Can anyone give me a comparison on how close the reaction of the Ogre solid to the violet, as well as the Green Gargoyle to the Ogre Pearl? I had a Green Gargoyle, but ended up giving it to my better half as she really liked that ball and since I have a gap I was considering the Ogre pearl as a replacement.

Later,

REvans284

scotts33 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 06, 2007, 09:29:47 AM »

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Umm . . . Sure. I know my game and so I'll tell you what works for me. Then again you might want to disregaurd anything I say . . . I'm LEFT handed

Wasn't directed at you tm.....I know you know something about Visioanry cuz you use the stuff.

I always get a charge out of the guys that have opinions but never have used any of the balls. Why I stay away from forums that I know nothing about...in my best Sgt. Schulz impression.

Come to think of it MI 2 AZ aka Gary is the Sgt. Schulz of the Visioanry forum.........lol.
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tommymo · « **Reply #8 on:** November 06, 2007, 09:30:01 AM »

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Here's my two cents. . . I can only give you my opinion on the balls I've used.
Why stop there tommymo.......lots of people give opinions and have never used the equipment nor know anything about the player that is asking for info. becuase they don't state anything about their game...maybe because they don't know anything about their game or how to state it.
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I hope I didn't piss anyone off with that comment. I was just letting the poster know that I'm talking from lane use with the equipment. I wasn't trying to flame anyone on here. Some people know the numbers and can gauge the balls reaction. And like you said . . . nothing about their game means I only have personal experiences to work with in order to give any sort of suggestions.

Thanks
Tom
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Frankie May Gryphon
Immortal Pearl
Ogre Pearl
B/G Centaur

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tommymo · « **Reply #9 on:** November 06, 2007, 09:35:33 AM »

I try to stay away from other forums as well. I only know the equipment that has been in my hands. I pride myself on trying to help the bowler, not make sales!!!

Thanks Scott,
Tom
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Visionary Test Staff Member 07/08
Frankie May Gryphon
Immortal Pearl
Ogre Pearl
B/G Centaur

F.O.S

imjouster · « **Reply #10 on:** November 06, 2007, 01:01:41 PM »

Now this is why I love the visionary forum. Even if a small fight is starting to emerge because of a miss understanding, it is always corrected promptly and without a lot of anger, because the other person understands that it is a miss understanding, plus everyone always tries to be the first to appologize. In say the brunswick forum this would have all ready turned into a 90 post fight between 3-4 people. But not here.

As for a good 3 ball arsenel. I'd have to agree with the violet gargoyle as being a great benchmark ball for you to use on most conditions. as far as anything else I can't say much. I didn't really like the B/G centaur for an ordinary shot. for me it was very condition specific. Even though I haven't used the balls, From what I hear the Pumpkin and the Ogre SS would be 2 bowling balls that would fit real well around the violet. Pumpkin should cover anything except for a flood, and the SS should cover anything but Bone Dry or really short. so with those 3 I believe it would give you a great arsenel. But once again, I haven't rolled 2 of the 3 so I can't say for sure. Hope this helps.

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footerson · « **Reply #11 on:** November 06, 2007, 01:13:45 PM »

i woudl say the frankie may gryphon, the g3 and the slate or blue green centaur i have thrown all 3 and have seen all 3 thrown by people with different styles and they cover all conditions except the extreams
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darkman · « **Reply #12 on:** November 06, 2007, 02:54:08 PM »

Interesting

Why Skip The Granite and pick up the AMB Particle?

I always say when you have access to a discontinued line then go ahead and try those because they may have more value since they are no longer in production and they wont be available too much longer. I know some of the Gargoyle line up and those balls are good performers. An added plus is if the ball is not your type then selling that ball may be more profitable then say one of the ogres and so forth.

Visionary for a small company has several choices on their site, and everything they say about a particular ball many say is true and vast majority of their covers are durable and versitile. Because I bowl in a dry house and carry slower ball speed with good revelutions I tend to favor light - medium oil balls. One of my favorites was the Slate Blue Gargoyle. None the less we are all different and you know your game. Should you have lack of hand and or throw the ball fast then you are going to want some of their aggressive stuff perhaps even the AMB particle however Jason says that beast is strickly for Heavy Oil! Good Luck Mate!

http://www.visionarybowling.com/ball_violetgargoyle.html http://www.visionarybowling.com/ball_greengargoyle.html
http://www.visionarybowling.com/ball_granitegargoyle.html
http://www.visionarybowling.com/ball_slategargoyle.html

tommymo · « **Reply #13 on:** November 06, 2007, 05:22:11 PM »

Trim . . . what would you suggest for a tournament arsenal? Just curious, you can see my current lineup in my sig.
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Frankie May Gryphon
Immortal Pearl
Ogre Pearl
B/G Centaur

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MI 2 AZ · « **Reply #14 on:** November 06, 2007, 05:54:19 PM »

REvans284

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Can anyone give me a comparison on how close the reaction of the Ogre solid to the violet, as well as the Green Gargoyle to the Ogre Pearl?

I have all four of those balls, but have not used them at the same time to offer a really valid comparison. I can only say that the Ogre Solid seems much stronger than the Violet both in hooking ability and earlier read in the oil. The Ogre Pearl seems to have a more even move on the lane whereas the Green Gargoyle is a strong skid-snap reaction which probably needs more dry. The Green Gargoyle really proved itself on a second shift tourney condition but I havent had the opportunity to try the Ogre Pearl on that condition yet.

Hopefully someone else here has had the opportunity to compare them for you and will post their experiences.

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I had a Green Gargoyle, but ended up giving it to my better half as she really liked that ball and since I have a gap I was considering the Ogre pearl as a replacement.

Although I dont have one, I have read that the Ogre SS is supposed to be the replacement for the Green Gargoyle. It is supposed to be a more skid-snap ball than the Ogre Pearl.
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