I have an Ogre solid and I have it at 1000 grit, this works great for me on the house heavy oil shot.  The only issue is the ball shines up after two games, it really looks like someone used Finesse-it on the ball.  Does the cover on the Frankie May or Immortal solid have this issue as well?  I actually love my Ogre solid with a light polish, and I would like to get something else for the heavier volumes of oil.  I just don't need anything to strong though, just looking for a ball compareable to the Ogre solid that doesn't self-shine as bad.

thanks
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Few issues here from my view point.

First, SH is right wipe off after each shot.  I clean my equipment right after league while there at bowling center with Legends ball cleaner which I find to be the best cleaner I've tried.  Immediately takes lane shine off returns them to same state as before bowling.  I do believe Legends/Lanemasters were going to get their cleaner approved by USBC....not sure if that was done this summer.  charlest may know or Laybzzz.  If, it is on approved list you could use it during competition.  You can use other approved ball cleaners during competition...this might be your best way to go...cheapest way to try something different.

Second, Solid Ogre is Eradicator and FMG and Immortal Solid React-A-Tact.  OS is 600 matte which is not 600 abralon from what I understand.  IS is 1000 matte same thing here.  

From my experience abralon surface finishes are smoother than matte wet/dry sandpaper finishes.  Scotch brite to me is closer to wet/dry sandpaper than abralon leaving some ridges and valleys in the coverstock more than abralon anyway.  I could be wrong here but that's my impression.  charlest could add here....he knows more about ball surfacing than most of us.

Third, OS is way lower differential than either the IS or FMG....so after some carry down and back ends mellow out the IS or FMG might work better as long as layout on both were conducive to your technique and lane condition being bowled on along with their ball surface.  I find the OS to be a good ball out of the bag as long as you don't develop hang/uneven break point to the outside on a more even condition.  


Ball surface is a big factor in ball reaction.  


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Scott

FWIW, I see lane shine on many different balls from different manufacturers.  Storm/RG is worse for me than Visionary.  I can't say anything about Ebonite as I only has The One and I kept that 4000 polished.  

Why not try your approved cleaner after every game and see if it will keep it in it's sheen state?
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Scott

One POSSIBLE reason why the Ogre is oil-shining up so quickly is NOT the cover, but the fact that the core has such a low RG differential, which, in turn, implies very little flare. The IS and the FMG both have EXTREME flare; so the oil lines will not overlay one another, but be very spread out.

Again this is only a possible reason. The other is the amounts of oil and where you play.

All dull ball, resin or particle, will get an oil shine over time; there is no avoiding that. Some sooner; some later.Even a great cleaner like Legends will only put off your having to refresh the cover; it will not stop your having to do that. Of course it puts it off longer than most other cleaners. Also the use of Clean and Dull after every 3 or 4 sessions on heavy oil will laso help a lot.

The Ogres are general control balls meant to hlep you covercome wet/dry or over/under situations. If you want a stronger oil ball than the solid Ogre in the Visionary line, the FMG, Frankie May Gryphon is a good choice. If you need more the FMG, the AMB particle is as strong (not big hooking, but the important part: oil handling) as they get.
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Yep if you are on longer heavier volumes....I'd go with the FMG or even the AMB Particle if a Super Carbide Bomb is skidding that far.  

I drilled up an Immortal Solid last night drilled weaker/the guts a bit out of it.  5 1/2" pin to PAP putting the pin over in bridge area pin slightly closer to middle finger and VMB kicked out to a 45 deg. layout no x hole.  Finishing weights 5/16 oz. finger and 1/2 oz. positive.  It still flares quite a bit but my FMG stronger than the IS with a stronger drill.  Both OOB.
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Scott