Author Topic: Blue/Green Centaur (Read 4422 times)

gsback · « **on:** September 07, 2010, 04:00:40 AM »

I haven''''''''t had a chance to really use this ball that much last year. However, after throwing it for the first time in many months.....I think it''''''''s time this ball gets into the bag for those nights where the oil is sparce!!

Ball really does shine, for me, down and in very minor belly hook shot. Lanes have to be a little on the very light oil side....and maybe less would be even better as it would allow the ball to swing out a little more.

Ball hits like a ton of bricks as well. Bury the pocket and it rewards. Lighter hits throw the pins around effortlessly!! I am including 2 links....hoping they work. Photobucket and BR.com aren''t liking one another with the links.

http://vid278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/gary_lum/P1020623.mp4
http://vid278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/gary_lum/P1020624.mp4

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River700 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 29, 2010, 02:57:40 PM »

I just picked up a b/g centaur and have seen a few posts about having to use certain layouts for this ball because of the core and weaker mas bias. Could someone direct me in the right direction to see the right layouts for this ball?
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 29, 2010, 04:41:19 PM »

I had mine at 1000 with Factory Finish and had quite a few high scores with it. You have to keep your lines fairly direct to be successful. When I could play just inside the track, 13-15 at the arrows and 10 breakpoint, is when this ball shined for me. Core is not strong enough to play a huge swing shot. I could not use it on the fresh because the volume was too heavy in the middle and if I got too close to the gutter to soon, the ball checked up. Although I still have it, I am not able to use it where I am bowling due to the high volume in the middle. FWIW....mine is drilled pin above the bridge and thumbhole is drilled through the mass.
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River700 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 29, 2010, 04:50:14 PM »

^^ TWOHAND, thanks for giving me info about what you have experienced with this ball. I plan on using this ball to mostly tackle the lighter oil to really broken down house shots that I see here. I have been learning more about the the dual angle layout method on the Morich bowling site and will be asking about some layouts for this ball from Mo and the other knowledgeable people over on Bowlingchat.net. I'll check back when I finally get it drilled up!
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scotts33 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 29, 2010, 05:05:56 PM »

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^^ TWOHAND, thanks for giving me info about what you have experienced with this ball. I plan on using this ball to mostly tackle the lighter oil to really broken down house shots that I see here. I have been learning more about the the dual angle layout method on the Morich bowling site and will be asking about some layouts for this ball from Mo and the other knowledgeable people over on Bowlingchat.net. I'll check back when I finally get it drilled up!

I'd just plug the one you got from me if your PAP is close to mine ( I am 5" over and 0) and redrill right where the grip is set up now. This is the one you have.... http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/scotts33/Bowling%20Equipment/VisBlueGreenCentaur.jpg

Per what I told you this is the 14 lb'er that I replaced the one you have above. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/scotts33/Bowling%20Equipment/VisBGCentaur.jpg No difference from above just lower weight...this type of layout has garnered me many great scores when nothing else would work.

These layouts put the black locator pin in your track or close to it and approximate a 105 deg. drilling angle which is perfect for a down and in bowling trajectory for most. http://www.bowlingballvault.com/companies/26-visionary/294-greenblue-centaur
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2010, 05:23:58 PM »

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^^ TWOHAND, thanks for giving me info about what you have experienced with this ball. I plan on using this ball to mostly tackle the lighter oil to really broken down house shots that I see here. I have been learning more about the the dual angle layout method on the Morich bowling site and will be asking about some layouts for this ball from Mo and the other knowledgeable people over on Bowlingchat.net. I'll check back when I finally get it drilled up!
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Not a problem. Always glad to offer some insight. Remember that since the core is weaker than a plastic ball, you will see more difference in reaction from cover changes than layout. In other words, the difference in reaction from a 20 by 5 inch to PAP is not going to be very different from a 40 by 5 inch. So dont overthink it. Keep it simple and use cover adjustment to fine tune the "look" you want.
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River700 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2010, 06:45:10 PM »

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^^ TWOHAND, thanks for giving me info about what you have experienced with this ball. I plan on using this ball to mostly tackle the lighter oil to really broken down house shots that I see here. I have been learning more about the the dual angle layout method on the Morich bowling site and will be asking about some layouts for this ball from Mo and the other knowledgeable people over on Bowlingchat.net. I'll check back when I finally get it drilled up!
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Not a problem. Always glad to offer some insight. Remember that since the core is weaker than a plastic ball, you will see more difference in reaction from cover changes than layout. In other words, the difference in reaction from a 20 by 5 inch to PAP is not going to be very different from a 40 by 5 inch. So dont overthink it. Keep it simple and use cover adjustment to fine tune the "look" you want.
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Thanks Scott for chiming in I guess with how weak the core is, the two most important things for this ball is pin placement and surface prep. I plan on leaving the pin pretty close to where it is now in the photo, but plugging the fingers and thumb and tweaking it some, but won''''t be doing this until I get a layout suggestion from Mo over at bowlingchat.net just to see what he would say. I have an old storm blue flame urethane ball with the pin 3 1/2 from my pap just over from ring finger and down a pinch and love how it reacts on a lighter and broken down house shot playing a belly shot out to the 5 board. So, with the b/g centaur it will be slightly longer and a bit more on the backend compared to the flame urethane.

If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!

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scotts33 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2010, 06:55:50 PM »

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but won''''t be doing this until I get a layout suggestion from Mo over at bowlingchat.net just to see what he would say.

I don't doubt that Mo will agree make sure you state what ball as this ball is more drill/layout specific than most. At times people over think...I have had three of these balls one with pin over bridge and black locator pin right of thumb. And the two with the label drill with the black locator pin in the track. In reality they were all very close in reaction. On this ball it's surface mainly.

If you asked Jason Wonders who knows more about Visionary than Mo does ball wise I am sure he would tell you most of the Blue/Green's that have been sold over the years the majority have been drilled label with pin next to ring black locator pin in/near the track.

Look at the ball reviews on the B/G on this site one of mine from a few years back is on there...that was the one with the pin over the bridge.
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gsback · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2010, 04:04:21 AM »

The ball did have some specific drilling requirements but I don't remember what they were. Something to do with back pin placement in respect to the thumb and all and causing the ball to roll over fingers.

Best bet, as Scott mentioned, is to talk to Jason, not Mo. Jason is VBP.....Mo isn't.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 30, 2010, 07:04:09 AM »

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The ball did have some specific drilling requirements but I don't remember what they were.

Suggested layout was as I said pin next to ring and black locator pin in track basically a label drill for most. You wind up with a large drilling angle (105 deg. for me with a 5" over and 0 PAP) as I spun my last one on a DeTerminator and PSA is right on the black locator pin. The point of this ball IMO is to make it a low flaring stable rolling ball for lighter volume lane conditions. I left the OOB surface alone and can easily play a down and in shot on most shorter say 36 ft to 40 ft. patterns. The only time I may have an issue is when the pattern is pumped up with a lot of volume in the middle then you may get some skid with the G/B if pulled but for me it won't over react off the dry if you hit the friction outside too early like most equipment.

If you look at the last one I drilled you can see the wax pencil line from pin thru mid grip CG is slightly off line below mid grip the black locator pin can't be seen poor pic but it's in the track where the line goes. This ball for me though I am a medium track player does not roll near the fingers or thumb. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/scotts33/Bowling%20Equipment/VisBGCentaur.jpg
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River700 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2010, 01:39:14 PM »

Thanks guys for all the help! I just want to be able to get it right before I plug it and redrill it to my specs

I will try and get in contact with Jason at Visionary and talk to him about it as well.

I am for sure going to leave the pin pretty close to the ring finger but might move the black locator pin closer to thumb, something like a 4 x 6 layout.
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gsback · « **Reply #11 on:** December 02, 2010, 04:28:10 AM »

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I will try and get in contact with Jason at Visionary and talk to him about it as well.

That right there is the best thing to do!!
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River700 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 02, 2010, 01:18:44 PM »

UPDATE!!

I emailed Jason and he suggested a 4 1/4 pin to pap up over ring and mas bias 5" from my pap. With this drill, I most likely will have to put a small hole in it to make it legal but will decide when I get there. From what I have read, the cover is the biggest thing for this ball so I'll have some fun with that...lol!

Once I get it plugged and redrilled, I'll post a picture and give an update after a few games with it.
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River700 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 28, 2010, 12:46:09 PM »

UPDATE!!

I finally got it drilled using a 70 x 3 x 35 and it roles really nice. All I need to do now is put a small hole in the p2 spot to make it legal and play around with the surface some more. But, overall the ball hits hard though and is nice and smooth

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River700 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:20:38 PM »

2nd update!

I put a 21/32 hole 2 1/4 deep in the 1.5 spot (gradient line hole technique) with a light 4k abralon surface and it hooks! I mean, I can't play straighter like I thought unless I get some decent speed on it. But, I really love how it revs up and moves to the pocket. The other day I was playing like 30 with left foot so 15 at arrows out to the 4 board and it would hook back no problem on a broken down house shot. The more I use this ball, the more I see that the biggest problem people are having is actually the layout then the surface for some. If you do pins in the 4 - 5 to pap range, it makes it role forward slightly too soon and if you do pins 3 3/4 to 3 it retains axis tilt better along with revving up nice in the midlane with a good arc to the pocket.

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