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tommymo

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Comparison
« on: August 24, 2008, 05:58:01 AM »
Which ball(s) in the lineup compare to the Columbia Momentum Swing and Ebonite NVD?  I was at a demo day yesterday and liked the look that these two balls gave me on the synthetics I was on.  But I have my test membership and figured I should try to utilize it as much as I can.  I am from a wood house and struggle a lot of times with my equipment on synthetics with any heavier pattern.  I have bowled at this  house several times in the past and have struggled with all my equipment.  I can never get the ball back to the hole consistently or can't miss cause I'll pay dearly.  I feel I should be able to make the adjustments to make up for this, but sometimes I must be too frustrated or something and am just lost.

Sorry for the long cry, but I am looking to revamp and be able to save face at tournaments this year.  I was thinking maybe the Immortal Solid/Ogre Particle could help me in this situation.

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Frankie May
Gladiator Solid (the Happy Roman)
Black Widow Bite
Immortal Pearl
Ogre Pearl


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Re: Comparison
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2008, 02:01:16 PM »
How is the FMG drilled/ball surface and what does it do?
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Re: Comparison
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2008, 07:28:33 PM »
The FMG is drilled 4X3, at the time it is scuffed with a burgandy pad to get it close to box.  I had it at 1000 abralon for a little while too.  At 1000 ab. it gave me control in the mids with a little more back end.  It seemed to struggle on the fore mentioned condition like this.  I tried then, to scuff it with a burgandy
pad by hand.  But still it didn't seem to recover.  I did take it down with the pad on a spinner a few weeks ago, to see if that would improve my look.  I've yet to try it but still thought I should get something a little stronger.  I don't know maybe I should wait and see what happens, I just wanted to be ready this year
and not feel like a fool on the lanes.
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scotts33

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Re: Comparison
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2008, 07:36:59 PM »
I'd work with the FMG.  

Numbers wise the only difference I see between the M Swing, NVD and FMG is a lower rg in the NVD and M Swing....maybe you like that earlier roll?  It's 2005 React-A-Tack vs. 2008 covers. FMG is relatively low rg for Visionary.  

I suppose it depends if you can play your preferred trajectory also.
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Re: Comparison
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2008, 08:03:50 AM »
Thanks scotts, I will try that!
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Re: Comparison
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2008, 08:16:27 AM »
Can anyone see any holes that may need to be filled in my arsenal?  I was thinking Heavy oil and Lighter oil.  I was thinking of the Ogre SS for the lighter oil.  I have the B/G Centaur but I think I need to redrill it.  My driller laid it out 1:30 label and it seems to clip the thumb a little.

I will try the FMG at the box finish and see if it helps.

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Re: Comparison
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 09:46:35 AM »
Ive noticed these covers are pretty strong on wood. Ive found I get better results with the G3 and the AMB centuars. The G3 goes pretty long with with a big snap. The AMBs both start up sooner, but with the big diffs you can swing the ball more and still have it come back. I didnt like the Immortal solid but I still want to get the pearl and try it.

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Re: Comparison
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2008, 10:13:44 AM »
Gladiator Solid with some cover adjustments should be close.
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Re: Comparison
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2008, 10:28:01 AM »
From my perspective FMG with same cover and same drill will be a lot stronger than Solid Glad.  FMG will start up earlier and finish harder.

Because tommymo is a wrongsider he's seeing more oil on that side than most of us rightsiders. On a true heavy condition maybe tommymo you need to look at an AMB Particle???  FMG should handle a lot of oil especially at OOB 400 matte.
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Re: Comparison
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2008, 11:01:00 AM »
I was thinking this Scott, I was hesitant to get such a strong ball and have it not be used.  How strong is this ball if you take the surface up a little?  I'm afraid it'll be too strong at the 320 oob.  I was thinking maybe gray pad or 1000 abralon.  But then I didn't want to tweak the surface too much and have it react like all the rest in the bag.

On the other side of the spectrum, would the SS be a good addition or an Ogre Pearl drilled a little weaker? Or with some surface tweaking?

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Re: Comparison
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2008, 11:17:35 AM »
I do think that the FMG is the right ball for what you are seeing tommymo. But, then again I am not a lefty. Very comparable to NVD and M Swing.  I'd want the pin under my ring close to a 3 3/8 which I think you are close too.  It will give you a smooth arcing earlier reaction.

For your lighter equipment OP would be a good matchup especially if you don't want to over read the dry with an SS.  The SS is a great dry lane ball but more condition specific at least to me.  The OP is more of an all around ball.  Arcing pearl.  I use mine as my benchmark @4000ab and go from there. I have an SS if want to move in <thinking about getting a Bronze> and use a Green/Blue for more down and in but don't like it real deep don't seem to carry very well with it.  Mainly because of my technique....my OP carries better from deeper inside.  Pearl Glad is another choice for lighter/dryer if you like moving inside.  If you like the movement of your Solid Glad that would be a good choice.
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Re: Comparison
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2008, 11:20:54 AM »
The AMB particle is ridiculous @320, I went up to 600 and it was still too much. Right now its at 2000 abralon but I havent tried it yet. I think the ogre particle would be a better choice, its got a weaker core with a strong cover. The AMB has huge flare with a monster cover, its meant for Exxon.

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Re: Comparison
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2008, 11:26:49 AM »
Yeah I would love to have the pin under on a few of my balls, but do to being a high tracker, PAP 5 3/4 left and 3/8 up, it tends to roll on the fingers.  So I try to make up for that with surface.  It's worked for the most part.  The problem for me is battling synthetics.  I think I just need lane time and proper surface for these problems.
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tommymo

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Re: Comparison
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2008, 11:28:02 AM »
Thanks for all the help guys.  I'll have to decide which direction is best.  I know there are no magic bulletts for poor execution and I am working on this.  Thanks again
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Becoming a father isn't difficult, But it's very difficult to be a father.

10/21/05 Kaitlyn Emily and  02/01/07 Meghan Alexis, Daddy's little girls!

R.I.P Kevin Trombley 11/26/05 You were taken too soon!

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Frankie May Gryphon
Immortal Pearl
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Re: Comparison
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2008, 11:44:35 AM »
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The AMB has huge flare with a monster cover, its meant for Exxon.


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