Author Topic: Control ball. (Read 2303 times)

tog831 · « **on:** August 26, 2007, 12:04:14 AM »

What is the best solid reactive control ball that Visionary makes.
I have an Immortal pearl and really like it,but sometimes it gets a little jumpy.I really like symetrical core balls over asyms.

pnj1967 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 26, 2007, 08:49:22 AM »

Have you looked at the Orge yet ? Good ball for Med., Med./ Heavy.

Some good reviews. If or when I ever get enough money, (no light at the end of the tunnel yet) this may be my next ball.

Click on link to see reviews.

http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=13&BallID=797

http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=3145

http://www.bowlingball.com/info/columbias-last-sa-release-ogre.html

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Strider · « **Reply #2 on:** August 26, 2007, 09:23:24 AM »

For lighter volumes of oil, you can't beat the Blue/Green Centaur. Extremely smooth, no flip at all. Maybe at 600-800 grit, it could be useful on medium oil.
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Eddie M · « **Reply #3 on:** August 26, 2007, 09:44:02 AM »

I agree. The Ogre solid for more oil, and the Blue/Green Centaur for less oil. The Orge pearl purple is very controllable also for oil volume between the other 2 balls.
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pnj1967 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 26, 2007, 01:33:29 PM »

Strider, I didnt see where he said "lighter volumes of oil", he was just asking for some thing "solid reactive control" .

tog831
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What is the best solid reactive control ball that Visionary makes.
I have an Immortal pearl and really like it,but sometimes it gets a little jumpy.I really like symetrical core balls over asyms.

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For lighter volumes of oil, you can't beat the Blue/Green Centaur. Extremely smooth, no flip at all. Maybe at 600-800 grit, it could be useful on medium oil.
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Strider · « **Reply #5 on:** August 26, 2007, 01:59:23 PM »

The original poster didn't specify ANY volume of oil, so I told him what I know. The B/G Centaur is an excellent solid cover control ball.

The Violet Gargoyle probably fits best on true medium oil, but I don't know how well it qualifies as a control ball. The original (orange) Ogre from everything I've read is at least a med/heavy oil ball, so I'm not sure a blanket statement about that ball is accurate either. That's why I qualified my statement the way I did.
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 26, 2007, 02:08:59 PM »

So lets ask this question.

What condition are you looking for. Something for mediums?

Since your PAP and rev rate are comparable to mine, I would say to take a B/G Centaur and drill it with the pin at 2 inches with the cg at or near the center grip and no weight hole. That will give you control unlike no other. I have a ball drilled this way and there is no sign of flip on the backend at all and can use the ball on a variety of conditions.
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charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** August 26, 2007, 02:13:01 PM »

Guys,

you're both correct.
The Blue/Green Centaur is THE control ball for light to medium-light oil.

The solid Ogre is THE control ball for medium, when the stock cover is either sanded finer to 2000 or 4000 grit or lightly polish, and for medium-hevay oil, when left stock at 600 grit or sanded to 800/1000/1500 grit, depending on your "hand".

I use my solid Ogre with a light polish and can't make it flip for love or monoey.

I use the B/G Centaur at 2000 or 4000 grit or 1000 grit+light polish and it remains a great control ball.

Inspite of being control balls, they will both HIT when used on the right oil pattern and surface for your release.

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pnj1967 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 26, 2007, 02:17:54 PM »

Thanks charlest. Wasn't trying to get in a argument with any one.

Strider nothing ment by my reply.

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Guys,

you're both correct.
The Blue/Green Gargoyle is THE control ball for light to medium-light oil.

The solid Ogre is THE control ball for medium, when the stock cover is either sanded finer to 2000 or 4000 grit or lightly polish, and for medium-hevay oil, when left stock at 600 grit or sanded to 800/1000/1500 grit, depending on your "hand".

I use my solid Ogre with a light polish and can't make it flip for love or monoey.

I use the B/G Gargoyle at 2000 or 4000 grit or 1000 grit+light polish and it remains a great control ball.

Inspite of being control balls, they will both HIT when used on the right oil pattern and surface for your release.

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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 26, 2007, 02:22:16 PM »

Also, just for the record, my recommendation was due to a suggestion by the fine people at Visionary for me when I was asking them the same question about a particular look I did not have in my bag.
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charlest · « **Reply #10 on:** August 26, 2007, 02:29:52 PM »

quote:
Also, just for the record, my recommendation was due to a suggestion by the fine people at Visionary for me when I was asking them the same question about a particular look I did not have in my bag.
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Steven,

Nice Catch. I didn't see his rev rate in his profile. (SO used to not looking there.)

tog831,

I agree with Steven a LOT. With your rev rate, MUCH above us mere mortals, a 4000 grit or a light polish on the B/G Centaur or the Ogre will likely produce a more snappy reaction that you desire. You must also look for a specific drill or rougher coverstock (1000 grit), like Steven recommended.

I'd still recommend the B/G Centaur and the solid Ogre, as major control balls.
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 26, 2007, 02:33:26 PM »

Just out of curiousity, when did VBP come out with the B/G Gargoyle?

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charlest · « **Reply #12 on:** August 26, 2007, 02:43:18 PM »

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Just out of curiousity, when did VBP come out with the B/G Gargoyle?
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The devil made me do it.

Ok, Steven, I don't know what made me write "gargoyle" when you know I meant "Centaur", The Blue/Green Centaur. I went back and corrected my other replies. SOrry for the confusion.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 26, 2007, 03:03:13 PM »

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I have an Immortal pearl and really like it,but sometimes it gets a little jumpy.I really like symetrical core balls over asyms.

FWIW, I think tog831 is looking for something smoother off the spot. IP is jumpy off the spot for most. B/G Centaur is the smoothest. Rev rate is high but that 5 7/8 over and 1" up means to me he/she stays behind the ball a lot better than most .

Steven is correct more info. is needed. What lane condition?
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 26, 2007, 04:03:13 PM »

Sorry, Charlest. I was just poking a little fun.

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