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SuperFred

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Decisions decisions
« on: October 06, 2005, 01:40:15 PM »
A few people have recommended Visionary gear to me, so I'm thinking of giving them a go. After something for medium/medium with carrydown (I see a lot of rubbish backends). I tend to have higher ball speed + low-med revs + low axis rotation/tilt. A quick browse of the Visionary site gave me a fairly short list:

AMB Solid (it's... pink?)
Charcoal Executioner (can still get a few locally)

Pin over bridge drillings go far too long for me, so I was thinking something along the lines of leverage with the CG at 1:30 (strong arc). I'm open to other ball choices/layouts, though
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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2005, 10:53:55 PM »
I would definately try visionary.  They are IMO the best company out there right now.  In their current line up the AMB solid should work well for you.  and If you can get a Charcoal Ex. then I'd go for it.  I've never rolled one but from what I hear people saying on here, it's one of the best, if not the best ball that visionary has made.  You might also want to wait for the AMB Immortals to come out.  Don't now much about them yet, but they are going to have a Diff. of .078.  Hope you love your new visionary ball (if you buy one) as much as I love my visionarys.

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scotts33

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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2005, 07:31:18 AM »
One other Visionary ball to consider for moderate carry down is the G-3.  More skid flippish but with your technique and revs it may work very well.  This would be good when heads go and you don't have to move as far in as you are a higher speed player.  Tweak the cover to work on back ends.  

I would not label drill but put pin next to ring and stack CG under 75 deg. lay out.  

Check with your pro shop guy and see what he suggests.  You should also know your PAP for layout weith best results.

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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2005, 09:23:36 AM »
If you can get the Charcoal I would get it.
Label leverage would be the suggested drill.
You can try it out of box, but you will probably
need a little polish.

I have 2 that I use one NIB, and plan to get a few more.
It is a ver versitile ball.
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crazyyankee

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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2005, 12:22:30 PM »
i have a charcoal ex 3 3/8x 3 3/8 stacked with a weight hole on my pap.out of box finish.i always keep it 600 wet sand.it always finishes has great backend.never has rolled out with that drilling.if this helps our pattern is 38 ft.oil 50 units 8 to 8. 5 units 8 to gutter.i guess thats med. heavy to heavy. it has great backends.
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SuperFred

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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2005, 06:22:38 AM »
http://www.madcowdisease.org/mcd/gallery/Bowling - out of my current gear, I tend to find the Stomp is my favourite. On lighter oil (or toast) it is the only ball I can use successfully, since my other gear either burns up (Nemesis) or is very erratic (Veritog). I finally caught up with my coach tonight, and he says the Stomp is pretty much stacked leverage for me, and that due to my high ball speed I a) need strong earlier roll layouts, and b) need a stronger rated ball than someone with less speed/more revs.

So far the Executioner with stacked or 1:30 leverage is what I'm leaning towards. The G-3 sounds very  flippy, and I greatly prefer an arcing shot, so that's out... and the AMB Solid is pink
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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2005, 02:28:31 PM »
i have my charcoal ex stacked with pin 1 inch above and at 1 o'clock.i think that with pin above is why it does not burn up being 3 3/8 x 3 3/8 stacked.
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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2005, 10:52:04 PM »
Fred,

You may also check on the Frankie May Gryphon.  The F/M has the same cover as the AMB Solid but 2 pluses compared to the AMB.  First off, it is not pink (Yay for you!!!) and second, it is more for control compared to the AMB.  The F/M is extremely versatile as that ball can hook alot, but be polished to go quite a bit longer and heavier on the backend.  If you compare it to the Charcoal Executioner, it is like a C/E on steroids, similar roll, just more of it.
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SuperFred

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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2005, 02:54:27 AM »
I've ended up with the C/E, has a cool swirly pattern on the pin side of the ball which doesn't show in the pictures If this ends up working for me, I will certainly look at getting a Frankie May at some point in the future. I've not been having much luck with getting balls that much up to my "style", so hopefully Visionary works nicely. Planning on 3-3/8" pin-to-PAP, pin somewhere below ring (high speed, not so great revs), CG kicked towards grip center.

Should have some idea what it's like by the weekend, getting it drilled up early Saturday morning, under 25 team junk that afternoon, league Sunday night.
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I_Bowl4Money

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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2005, 09:20:14 AM »
SuperFred,

What is the Pin placement on that ball (PIN to CG)??
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SuperFred

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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2005, 10:46:09 AM »
Box says 15.10lb, 2-3in pin, 2.99oz top weight.
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SuperFred

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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2005, 04:33:25 AM »
Pin-to-CG distance is 2.75", give or take a tiny bit. Any particular reason the Visionary website only shows the logo side of the ball? The other 'side' doesn't look much like it at all. I like the pattern, just a bit of a shock

http://www.madcowdisease.org/mcd/gallery/Bowling/Executioner_Predrill_1.jpg
http://www.madcowdisease.org/mcd/gallery/Bowling/Executioner_Predrill_2.jpg
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I_Bowl4Money

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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2005, 01:37:55 PM »
For your ball speed and lack of revs, i would've considered an even shorter pin (1-2).  Best of luck with the ball, let us know how it works out for you.  Keep in mind that the cover on the Charcoal is very versatile.  If the ball doesn't seem to move quick enough for you, bring it down to 320 wet sand and vice versa if it's too early 800 or 1000 wet sand.  As a 3rd move if needing length, after you try the wet sand at 800 or 1000, touch it with a light polish and that should work.
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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2005, 04:01:35 PM »
Ahhhh, what a pretty ball
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SuperFred

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Re: Decisions decisions
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2005, 03:15:54 AM »
http://www.madcowdisease.org/mcd/gallery/Bowling/Executioner_Layout.jpg

Pin ended up ~3" from my PAP, with CG at ~5.5". Static weights were fine without an X-hole. Only had 3 games of league so far, struggled just to make average. Probably a touch too dry Hopefully I'll actually see a bit of oil at some point now that the school holidays are over.
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