Author Topic: G-3 + LONG pap distance = dry lanes? (Read 878 times)

REvans284 · « **on:** February 28, 2008, 02:16:22 PM »

Hey guys. I am thinking about getting something for drier conditions that I can get deep inside with and find recovery (something for hooking heads), and not be so squirty with a little bit of spotiness on the back end. I was thinking of getting one and drilling it about 6 X 4 or so with the pin probably 1 1/2-2 high above the Middle finger, with the CG kicked out about 2" right off my centerline. I'm a low tracker, and rev dominant, so I'm trying to get some crazy length with a hard arc.

Do you think I will get enough length? Or is the core too strong? I've seen a few players have success with this drilling used on a Cherry Vibe, but I don't think for me that would flare enough. The few people I saw using this were rediculously heavy handed, but they had alot more ball speed than me. I for some reason have slowed down now closer to 14mph, where as they were pushing 18-19. I don't think too much skid will be a problem.

Later

louie · « **Reply #1 on:** February 29, 2008, 04:27:08 AM »

This ball has too much cover to ever be a dry lane ball. However, with a 6 inch pin to pap you'll get plenty of length and then a violent erratic snap. I'd go with the pin under middle finger. You'll get plenty of length with a more controlled reaction. This will be good on second shifts when you get really deep. When the oil is gone even when you go deep, it has too much cover no matter the drill.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 29, 2008, 05:40:43 AM »

I'll disagree with louie in that not all will match up the same technique and conditions bowled on. I'd much prefer to have a stronger ball in hand if a tweener who can get length with his/her release which I can and get the ball to recover and carry better.....rather than go to a weak ball inside that may or may not recover in carry down or spotty conditions. It's how players look at different situations. I'll take the stronger ball anytime when deep inside.

In my experience with a G-3 with a 5.25 pin to PAP pin over bridge on what I'd term lighter <ie. old wood> crossing anything inside of 18 at the arrows I'll use my G-3 with a pretty good track record.

I think it all depends on your abilities and how you tweak the cover, etc.
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witesoxwoz22 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 29, 2008, 08:30:39 AM »

As a low tracker also, I learned the hard way that pin over for this ball is not the best idea. The G-3 became too condition specific. I took advice from TWOHAND and changed the cover to 2000 grit. It made the reaction more controllable, but can still be jumpy at times.
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REvans284 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 29, 2008, 11:40:59 AM »

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As a low tracker also, I learned the hard way that pin over for this ball is not the best idea. The G-3 became too condition specific. I took advice from TWOHAND and changed the cover to 2000 grit. It made the reaction more controllable, but can still be jumpy at times.
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- woz

Is your pin above your ring, and how far up, and also, is the CG stacked below and does it have an X hole?

Thanks,

REvans284

witesoxwoz22 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 29, 2008, 04:01:40 PM »

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As a low tracker also, I learned the hard way that pin over for this ball is not the best idea. The G-3 became too condition specific. I took advice from TWOHAND and changed the cover to 2000 grit. It made the reaction more controllable, but can still be jumpy at times.
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- woz

Is your pin above your ring, and how far up, and also, is the CG stacked below and does it have an X hole?

Thanks,

REvans284

Pin is about 3/8th of an inch above ring. CG is about .25 of an inch right of center. No X hole.
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- woz

REvans284 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 29, 2008, 10:32:39 PM »

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As a low tracker also, I learned the hard way that pin over for this ball is not the best idea. The G-3 became too condition specific. I took advice from TWOHAND and changed the cover to 2000 grit. It made the reaction more controllable, but can still be jumpy at times.
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- woz

Is your pin above your ring, and how far up, and also, is the CG stacked below and does it have an X hole?

Thanks,

REvans284

Pin is about 3/8th of an inch above ring. CG is about .25 of an inch right of center. No X hole.
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- woz

See, I had a Green Gargoyle drilled like that, and the stacked drilling or very close to it makes the ball more angular to friction and I don't like it (like you). If you go out more than that 1/4 inch, like maybe a full inch to 1 1/2 (roughly 2 off your center line) the ball won't be as sharp, it will start its move a little sooner on the lane, but over all be more rounded and easier to control.

I planned on having my ball layed out like that, but instead of having the pin barely above my fingers, I was going to have it quite a bit higher and farther left. but the CG probably in the same area as what my pin down CG out balls are (probably going to get a 4-5" pin ball). at 4 5/16 right and 3/4 up, its probably going to equal out to around 6-6 1/2 X 4- 4 1/2 Pin to PAP/CG to PAP.

If I get the guts to try it I'll let you know, but I may wait on the Gladiator Pearl, because it should/probably will be a bit weaker.

Later,

REvans284

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2008, 05:16:17 AM »

AFAIK, the G3 is a strong and flippy ball - especially when you drill it for length. I talked with a local semi-staffer about his G3, which has the pin above the fingers, and he said that the ball would be very violent at the breakpoint with this setup, a bit too condition-specific or erratic to be truly versatile. Taking the polish off might be the only option to regain control. It fits the general picture from the other posts.

I also ordered a G3 to replace my old Trauma, but I definitively want it with a 1-2" pin, so that I can have the pin under the fingers (similar to my FMG, which is a deadly force with such a setup). I hope to use it on medium conditions with the OOB surface, but "tame" enough at the break point to keep it controlled as the lane goes into transition. I do not hope for the skid/snap reaction, rather good length and a hard arc in the back end. If the ball ever arrives

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scotts33 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2008, 05:28:24 AM »

I don't agree with the general assessment that the G-3 will be hard to control with a pin over layout unless your rev rate is TwoHand like. If you are a tweener with the ability to move inside<inside of 18 arrows>. If you are inside you'll need a length/stronger layout to make a move on the back end to carry.....a slow arc may hit like a marsh mellow.

Different strokes for different folks.
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Scott

rustylegacy · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2008, 08:18:03 AM »

Mine is pin over bridge, cg about in line with my pinky/end of my palm. Ball is at 500 abr polish as shiny as I can get it with Powerhouse FF polish. All I have to do is just keep moving left, it doesnt run out of steam. I can start on the 2nd dot and just move from there, earlier in the game it doesnt hook quite as much obviuosly. You will easily be able to tell if you hit carrrydown though it looks like it hit ice. The pins seem to move alot more with this ball than my other stuff, Im guessing its because of the entry angle. Really fun ball, but I dont normally use it league.

MI 2 AZ · « **Reply #10 on:** March 04, 2008, 12:52:43 PM »

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If you are a tweener with the ability to move inside<inside of 18 arrows>.

Scott, that's a few lanes more than I can move inside. You must have some pretty strong revs.

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