Author Topic: G3 vs Gladiator Pearl: anyone have both with similar drills? (Read 907 times)

charlest · « **on:** March 20, 2010, 11:53:56 AM »

If so, are they similar or how do they differ?
Thanx.
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A_P_K · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2010, 11:37:33 PM »

I didn't have similar drills on mine and don't really think it would have mattered with that much difference between the two balls. I honestly believe you would need a weaker pin down lay out or maybe RICO to get it started earlier enough to be similar.

For me:

Gladiator pearl VS. G3 Gryphon

(GP) Earlier roll, smooth predictable reaction, more versatile and forgiving, better angle of entry, better carry, usable on carry down, needed medium oil.

(G3) Recovery

For me the G3 with that layout I had on it was just terrible. It hated light oil, medium oil, carrydown, couldn't really play deep without friction, couldn't square up because of the back end reaction, carry stunk, and it was weaker than the Gladiator pearl as well.

Surfaces I've tried (G3) 600, 800, 2000, polished and sanded.

You're probably better off comparing it to a similarly drilled Buzz.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2010, 01:45:39 AM »

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Gladiator pearl VS. G3 Gryphon

(GP) Earlier roll, smooth predictable reaction, more versatile and forgiving, better angle of entry, better carry, usable on carry down, needed medium oil.

(G3) Recovery

For me the G3 with that layout I had on it was just terrible. It hated light oil, medium oil, carrydown, couldn''t really play deep without friction, couldn''t square up because of the back end reaction, carry stunk, and it was weaker than the Gladiator pearl as well.

I have the completely opposite result. But what do I know. Different bowler, different conditions, different uses and abilities gives completely different results. To me that''s why it such a crap shoot trying to compare bowler to bowler. I''d go with Anthony''s results as you''ve seen him bowl Jeff.

The G-3 was much better deeper inside for carry as it was much stronger than the GP. My problem is it''s a 16 so I can''t use it. My personal preference is to go with slightly stronger balls length and stronger layouts for better carry for inside angles moving inside the 3rd arrow into the 5th arrow...weak balls don''t hit for me well enough.

Best ball for me inside for best carry on some carry down is this ball http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/scotts33/TrackHeat.jpg note layout. G-3 has same layout. GP that I had was close to same layout pin to PAP distance 1/4" longer. I can get deeper and carry better with the TH...also TH will work on medium to lighter for me. Maybe the mica in the TH helps on carry down? Noted a buddy''s 2nd Dimension carried well also with mica on carry down.

Since Visionary hasn''t used mica since the Blue Sparkle that might be good to try on a cover as I find all their pearls skate to far or are inconsistent on carry down.
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Edited on 3/21/2010 1:59 AM

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2010, 07:01:02 AM »

I really liked the way Anthony's rolled for him. However the drilling he asked for, I would never use. I'm not overly fond of pearls with that low an RG plus I already have a pearl like that that I do like, of another manufacturer.

There's a G3 for sale on Ebay but it's not cheap and I was thinking about it. But I don't need one. SHouldn't even have been looking at Ebay.

Thanks, guys. That ends that.
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A_P_K · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2010, 07:41:19 AM »

Yes that's the major reason why I failed with the G3 I chose a terrible layout for it.

I put a major skid flip layout on a pretty skid flip ball. It was just inconsistent and I could not grasp it.

I will say if I did things correctly I understand what you are saying Scott as it would recover from anywhere and showed signs potential.

I could be tempted to do it again with a smarter layout.
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The original Pin Krusher

scotts33 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2010, 10:37:35 AM »

This the release I use when in deep and need to get the ball thru drier heads. I can do this with stronger equipment like a G-3. Jeff has seen this before.

http://books.google.com/books?id=2O5KWoE5baMC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=drag+release+john+jowdy&source=bl&ots=84Ft4rluw3&sig=xBRs-0uPCowwyO1Mvdvebfd-jks&hl=en&ei=_jqmS9r1BcOBlAfjn-mZAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

BTW....I do think there is something about equipment with mica in the cover to alow it to react better on carry down. I believe we are going to see a need for a ball like the Track Heat, 2nd Dimension, etc.

Why many would ask? Read the urethane threads. Many are using urethane and creating the bulldozer effect. Now start doing this with a few of them in 5 man leagues and instead of opting for a low differential low flare ie. Blue/Green Centaur maybe with some surface adjustment...you are going to see lots of head oil stripped off the heads and pushed down to the back. Bowlers are going to moving inside to find head oil and then need recovery in the backend with the carry down pushed to the back by the urethane users.

As of right now in one 5 man 10 team league. There are 4 Naturals, 2 Urethane Hypes with more to come. Hence, I see the need now and in the future. Majority of urethane users don''t even understand what they are doing to the lane condition. My driller Rob Bailey takes 4 teams to Natl''s (http://host.madison.com/sports/recreation/bowling/article_6bb8c518-34d4-11df-922e-001cc4c002e0.html ) and won''t take a player that uses urethane on any of his teams.

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Scott

Edited on 3/21/2010 10:48 AM

Author Topic: G3 vs Gladiator Pearl: anyone have both with similar drills? (Read 907 times)

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