Post by: irishluck821 on August 19, 2008, 07:43:11 AM
Post by: getuaload on August 19, 2008, 03:51:21 PM
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Post by: SVstar34 on August 19, 2008, 05:03:18 PM
In the Vissionary lines, Ogre Solid, Ogre Pearl are very versatile and take well to coverstock changes. Gladiator Solid is a very smooth ball with strong hit and a versatile coverstock.
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Post by: road94master on August 19, 2008, 05:59:09 PM
Post by: bltbyj on August 19, 2008, 06:59:02 PM
my driller told me about Visionary.
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Post by: charlest on August 19, 2008, 07:47:30 PM
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So what balls should I look at? Want something for all conditions.
In all seriousness, are you a troll?
Nothing, there is not one ball made today that will work on all conditions. Even Earl Anthony couldn't do that. Today, I'd dare to say that neither Norm Duke nor Chris Barnes, possibly the 2 most versatile bowlers on the PBA tour today, can do it.
If you said, "I want 3 - 4 balls to cover most conditions.", that would be something else.
Care to rephrase that?
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 19, 2008, 08:04:16 PM
I read 'So what balls should I look at?' as meaning he wanted an arsenal, but I have been wrong many times in the past, or so I am constantly being reminded.
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Post by: charlest on August 19, 2008, 08:21:13 PM
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Ouch!
I read 'So what balls should I look at?' as meaning he wanted an arsenal, but I have been wrong many times in the past, or so I am constantly being reminded.
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IF that is true, I apologize.
If not, it stands.
Arsenal:
Gladiator
Ogre solid, sanded to 4000 grit abralon
Gladiator Pearl
Ogre SS
Blue Green Centaur
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on August 19, 2008, 08:42:59 PM
HEAVY: Frankie May Gryphon
MEDIUM HEAVY: Gladiator Solid
MEDIUM: Ogre Pearl
MEDIUM LIGHT: Ogre SS
LIGHT: Blue/Green Centaur
That will give you just about everything you need. If you are looking into a complete arsenal, look into the Test Membership from the VBP website. You get the best package for $500 which includes 4 balls, a roller bag, and free shipping to your door.
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Post by: irishluck821 on August 19, 2008, 10:13:32 PM
Post by: road94master on August 20, 2008, 01:13:27 AM
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Post by: charlest on August 20, 2008, 02:32:38 AM
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Charlest, if I just wanted 1 ball I would of said what ball should I get for all conditions and not what balls. So thanks for all the info from all.
Sorry, but your English still was very unclear.
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Post by: irishluck821 on August 20, 2008, 08:33:44 AM
Post by: tommymo on August 20, 2008, 08:54:07 AM
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Post by: gsback on August 20, 2008, 10:21:42 AM
I haven't tried the Ogre Particle....but that's soon to change.
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on August 20, 2008, 02:47:49 PM
Have you thrown the ogre solid at 4000 abralon? If so what kind of reaction did you get from it?
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Arsenal:
Gladiator
Ogre solid, sanded to 4000 grit abralon
Gladiator Pearl
Ogre SS
Blue Green Centaur
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Post by: MC on August 20, 2008, 02:59:29 PM
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Just got a email back from Jim @ visionary with some more info on some choices along with the great help from most of you guys here. I really do thank you
...and he suggested what?
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Post by: irishluck821 on August 20, 2008, 04:55:36 PM
Most the information about our products is available on the website but I can give you a general run down of the product lines.
AMB line (discontinued due to the change in RG differential rules by the USBC - but still available and legal to use in all USBC competitions - we just can't produce them any more.)
AMB Particle is a very aggressive oil ball. Designed for heavy oil with an early arc reaction through the entire lane. Can burn up and die on the back if there's not enough oil or ball speed. Won't be flippy on the back no matter how it's drilled.
AMB Solid will go longer than the particle and have more backend. It's designed for med-med/hvy oil with a strong arc reaction. Can be drilled to roll earlier and more arc or longer with more flip - but won't be snappy.
AMB Bronze Pearl will go the longest of the AMB series and flip more on the backend but because of the flare potential it still won't be a skid/snap reaction. Good for med to med/light conditions.
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IMMORTAL line (discontinued due to the change in RG differential rules by the USBC - but still available and legal to use in all USBC competitions - we just can't produce them any more.)
IMMORTAL solid will hook a little more and little sooner than the AMB solid. Designed for med-med/hvy oil with a stronger move overall than the AMB.
IMMORTAL pearl will flip a little more on the back for most people than the Bronze because of the cover but can be made to roll earlier than the Bronze with early drillings because of the higher differential.
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GRYPHON line
Frankie May GRYPHON will make a stronger and sharper move on the back than the AMB or IMMORTALs because it doesn't flare as much or roll as soon. Surface can be easily adjusted to fit most conditions from med/hvy to med/light. This is a very versatile ball.
G-3 GRYPHON will skate much longer and snap more on the back than the FM Gryphon or either AMB or IMMORTAL pearls. This ball definitely gets down the lane and then unloads with a kick on the back. Good for opening up the lanes or when you have to move inside and cover a lot of boards while needing recovery on the backend. Too hard to control if the lanes are drastically over/under reactions.
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OGRE line
OGRE solid will get down the lane easier than the AMB and IMMORTALs with a good roll and predictable read. Not quite as strong as the FM Gryphon but still a good med-med/hvy oil ball.
OGRE pearl (purple/black) will go longer than the solid but start sooner and handle oil and carrydown better than the SS Ogre. Good middle of the road ball to start with - then go to the solid on more oil or the SS on lighter oil.
OGRE SS will skate further than the purple pearl but flip harder on the back. Like the G-3 its a good ball to open up the lanes or play deeper inside lines needing recovery on the back. Not quite as strong as the G-3 for most people.
OGRE particle will hook more in the oil than all the other OGRES. The particles give it more grab than the Ogre solid but it won't burn up early like the AMB particle might. It is much easier to get down the lane than the AMB particle and offers more backend but it won't handle an extreme flood as well as the AMB particle would. Good for med-hvy oil
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GLADIATOR line
GLADIATOR solid will give an earlier midlane roll with a controlled arc reaction. Starts sooner than the Ogre solid with more of a sweeping arc motion. Good for evening out the over/under reactions found on touchier conditions. Good for med-med/hvy oil.
GLADIATOR pearl will go longer and save more energy for a sharper backend then the solid but will still be an arc motion just harder and a little sharper. Handles longer oil better than a lot of pearls because the core gets it into a roll sooner. Will start hooking sooner than the SS ogre and even the purple Ogre pearl for most people with a more even predictable reaction than the Ogre line.
All in all -
Crankers needing more control will like the Gladiators and Ogres
Average bowlers will like almost all - preferring Ogres and Gladiators for their control and predictability.
Those needing help hooking the ball will like the AMB, IMMORTAL, and GRYPHONS
Hope this helps,
Jim
Post by: charlest on August 21, 2008, 12:23:42 AM
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charlest,
Have you thrown the ogre solid at 4000 abralon? If so what kind of reaction did you get from it?quote:
Arsenal:
Gladiator
Ogre solid, sanded to 4000 grit abralon
Gladiator Pearl
Ogre SS
Blue Green Centaur
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I got the expected more length BUT unexpectedly I got considerably more backend that this much (or this little) RG differential (read: Flare) would normally give.
That is why I recommended that grit level and finish.
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Edited on 8/21/2008 0:25 AM
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on August 21, 2008, 12:16:43 PM
quote:quote:
charlest,
Have you thrown the ogre solid at 4000 abralon? If so what kind of reaction did you get from it?quote:
Arsenal:
Gladiator
Ogre solid, sanded to 4000 grit abralon
Gladiator Pearl
Ogre SS
Blue Green Centaur
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I got the expected more length BUT unexpectedly I got considerably more backend that this much (or this little) RG differential (read: Flare) would normally give.
That is why I recommended that grit level and finish.
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Edited on 8/21/2008 0:25 AM
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Post by: charlest on August 21, 2008, 01:17:38 PM
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Whats the layout of it?quote:quote:
charlest,
Have you thrown the ogre solid at 4000 abralon? If so what kind of reaction did you get from it?quote:
Arsenal:
Gladiator
Ogre solid, sanded to 4000 grit abralon
Gladiator Pearl
Ogre SS
Blue Green Centaur
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Visionary Test Staffer 08/09
I got the expected more length BUT unexpectedly I got considerably more backend that this much (or this little) RG differential (read: Flare) would normally give.
That is why I recommended that grit level and finish.
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Edited on 8/21/2008 0:25 AM
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on August 21, 2008, 04:49:39 PM
quote:
about a 4"x5", pin next to ring finger.quote:
Whats the layout of it?quote:quote:
charlest,
Have you thrown the ogre solid at 4000 abralon? If so what kind of reaction did you get from it?quote:
Arsenal:
Gladiator
Ogre solid, sanded to 4000 grit abralon
Gladiator Pearl
Ogre SS
Blue Green Centaur
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Visionary Test Staffer 08/09
I got the expected more length BUT unexpectedly I got considerably more backend that this much (or this little) RG differential (read: Flare) would normally give.
That is why I recommended that grit level and finish.
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Edited on 8/21/2008 0:25 AM
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on August 21, 2008, 11:57:25 PM
I've only seen the purple one thrown a few times and has one strong reaction down the lane. The SS silver one has an awesome reaction on medium/lighter conditions and carries terrific.
Post by: Luckyzzzzz on August 22, 2008, 10:56:06 AM
I'm also planning on getting the Ogre Particle next. (or possibly the Gladiator Solid, but am leaning towards the Ogre) I had the Granite Gargoyle before, and I loved it, but it was a pound light for me. The fact that the Ogre Particle uses the same covertsock, but is darker so the dirt doesn't show up as much is a plus.
Also, I got my fiance the Ogre solid ealier in the year, and she loves the ball also. She likes its controllability and roll through the pins.
All in all, very solid releases from Visionary.
Post by: irishluck821 on August 22, 2008, 02:29:10 PM
CENTAUR-AMB Particle ? How does it roll?
Post by: rustylegacy on August 22, 2008, 02:33:14 PM
Post by: shelley on August 22, 2008, 02:43:03 PM
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It hooks more than any other ball ever, its too much. Rolled out on the 50' pattern (Us open I think it was). I like the other 2 ALOT more.
The PBA's 50' pattern is the Tournament of Champions pattern and the consensus in past years was that while it was plenty long, it was pretty light, too. If you used an AMB Particle on it, especially in OOB finish, it is not surprising it rolled out.
On the US Open pattern, though, it should work a little better. The Open uses more oil than the ToC and is usually more of a medium-heavy pattern.
SH