Post by: scotts33 on September 15, 2008, 12:41:51 AM
I haven't put together a great set yet but like what I see with the Blurple and Solid Gladiator. 269 so far.
What ya got to report???? Like to hear how others are doing. Where from? Lane conditon? League or tourney?
Now's the time to crow about your bowling prowess.
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Post by: gsback on September 15, 2008, 09:44:49 AM
Right now, I am liking everything I have in the bag!!
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on September 16, 2008, 01:15:35 AM
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Good Scores??? Post yours from Friday Nor Cal.
Didn't have any
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Post by: hotstreet on September 16, 2008, 11:14:54 PM
Last game I left 2 8 pins and a 10 pin for a 238
Throwing a G-3, long and strong.
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Post by: All10 on September 19, 2008, 12:14:45 PM
Post by: floater163 on September 19, 2008, 12:30:59 PM
So far this year:
768 and 696 in my Monday night league. I averaged 215 last year so this is a great start.
691 on Thursday (I averaged 232 last year is the IS) and I am subbing tonight for a friend and plan on using it.
I am very impressed with this ball. I have an Immortal Solid (I used a lot last year) as well but have not needed it due to the strengths of this ball so far.
Post by: tog831 on September 24, 2008, 08:49:05 AM
This ball has proved me wrong.My last two series has been 700 and 727.This ball is the best in carry that i have used in 4 years.
The Glad. solid works best on a medium oiled ths.I own several Visionary balls and the Glad. solid along with the Ogre pearl will handle any shot.Great stuff Visionary.
Post by: scotts33 on September 24, 2008, 08:55:31 AM
quote:
bought a Gladiator solid back in July and had it drilled at the end of August.I was not real happy with it.My thinking was it had an asymetrical core,and i don't like asym. cores in my bowling balls.
Even though it's an asymmetric.....the MB differential is nothing like most asymmetric's. The Gladiator's great quality is that they are very smooth off the break point for most bowlers. The same quality that the Char Ex has/had.
Great shooting tog831.
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Post by: Krumpy300 on September 24, 2008, 02:14:26 PM
Had a 279 with it on Sunday in league.
Also got to see Charlest's Orange Warlock in action today, very sweet rolling ball.
Post by: A_P_K on September 24, 2008, 02:17:00 PM
Man that ball is damn sweet.
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Post by: MarkinCincy on September 24, 2008, 02:32:25 PM
Hopefully better to come.
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Post by: scotts33 on September 25, 2008, 12:27:12 PM
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Post by: gsback on September 26, 2008, 10:50:29 AM
Played A game for 1st game and that netted me nothing...205. Now we were bowling a handicap team (literally) and they all throw plastic...so oil is everywhere.
I go Glad Pearl outside playing down and in....248-217 to finish off a decent 670. The ball was money in the pocket....so long as I didn't get soft. Last game I either struck of split. Granted the 217 isn't much, but again....in the pocket equaled 10 in the pit.
That ball is really starting to shine!!
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Post by: Krumpy300 on September 26, 2008, 10:54:19 AM
Took me a few frames to get the angle right but once I did, I had a big game.
The GP is much more versatile than I could have imagined.
Post by: scotts33 on September 26, 2008, 11:23:11 AM
You guys likey.....I'll have to get one....one of these days.
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Post by: gsback on September 26, 2008, 01:14:34 PM
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You guys likey.....I'll have to get one....one of these days
You won't be disappointed Scott....trust me!!
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Post by: gsback on September 30, 2008, 05:29:50 AM
Threw the Gladiator Pearl all night playing down and in. Never moved all night, only threw a little harder to maintain the same shot.
237-238-243 for a 718.
I think there are going to be many more of these nights with that ball!!
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Post by: gsback on October 06, 2008, 01:21:36 PM
Shot 280 for first set game. Sadly, not 700. Got too soft on multiple shots in the next 2 games and just didn't finish strong...210 and 197.
Ball last for all 6 games for the day, though I had to throw it hard in the last set.
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Post by: VBPadvertising on October 06, 2008, 04:10:25 PM
Bengie Garrison shot games of 300-300-268 with the Green Blue Centaur in Hammond Indiana last week. Great shooting Bengie.
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Post by: rustylegacy on October 07, 2008, 09:28:38 AM
Post by: scotts33 on October 07, 2008, 09:41:47 AM
Just got to use my Ogre Particle in league now that there is a bit more oil in the heads last night. Nothing special 240 and 235 but it has such a nice ball motion. I am really liking this ball.
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Post by: icewall on October 07, 2008, 03:37:33 PM
but this summer I ended with highest average as well as series which was 697.
Im loving the gladiator line especially the solid. the ogres have been sitting for the first few weeks as the backend has just been too much for me to tame and the gladiators have been just so smooth and strong why switch?
great stuff from visionary.
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Post by: scotts33 on October 09, 2008, 10:15:46 AM
quote:
Not great, but could have been. B/G Centaur 186-289-235 = 710. Could have moved much earlier the first game and finished open-open or the last two would have been very good
Nice rollin' Strider!!!
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Post by: All10 on October 09, 2008, 01:21:00 PM
Another guy has 278 with the Glad solid.
Post by: MarkinCincy on October 11, 2008, 08:43:37 PM
Mark
Post by: pegleg42090 on October 11, 2008, 08:48:23 PM
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269-22-243 for a 734 with my trusty Charcoal Executioner. Missed two 10-pins in second game and had another open in the 3rd game. Otherwise I could've been in 760-770 range.
Mark
hmm.. howd you pull out a 734 with a 22
Post by: MarkinCincy on October 12, 2008, 08:11:15 PM
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Post by: gsback on October 14, 2008, 06:38:12 AM
And then there’s last night. Had the front 11 and then got fast on the last one leaving the 2-4-5 for a 297 game. I told Jason that my next honor score will be with the Gladiator Pearl. It’s no ring, but it’s still an 11 in a row score.
Thanks to Jason as well for being out there this weekend with the TCBA!! It was great to spend the day out there with him. He had balls drilled up so people could try the new lineup and people were taking advantage of the opportunity!!
Looking forward to the TCBA Nats in May now.
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Post by: scotts33 on October 14, 2008, 06:42:01 AM
If TCBA has a website please post for others to see. Nice rolling!!!!
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Post by: scotts33 on October 14, 2008, 06:54:36 AM
http://www.tcba1.com/html/home.htm
Which team is g-thang's?
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Post by: gsback on October 14, 2008, 04:20:30 PM
Thanks for the kudos!
They don't break the stuff down that well by States, but click on the link for Team Standings for 2009-2009 and then Mid Cities link.
http://www.tcba1.com/WebStandings/html/standings/men/mid_cities/standings1.html
Not very up to date though....sad.
Link for the All-Stars:
http://www.tcba1.com/html/allstars/2008/allstar_news.htm
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Post by: Androooo on October 15, 2008, 05:31:50 AM
298 first game with the Gladiator Pearl
299 with the Green/Blue in the last.
Sheesh
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Post by: road94master on October 15, 2008, 08:39:48 PM
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on October 16, 2008, 01:49:02 PM
Both are with 5+ Pin to PAP drillings and last week popped a big set using just my G-3.
239 - 265 - 275 = 779 series
Bowling Buddy of mine is avg. 230+ in KS just shot 800 series with the Gladiator Solid.
Vito Figlioli - 289 - 258 - 279 = 826
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Post by: tommymo on October 19, 2008, 05:45:40 PM
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Post by: gsback on October 20, 2008, 09:52:14 AM
He's been tearing the lanes up with the Gladiator Pearl. And when I met and talked with him during TCBA All-Stars, he had great things to say about the Ogre Particle, which is to be expected.
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Post by: gsback on October 21, 2008, 07:59:23 AM
Shot 300 first game and actually had the first 4 of the next game, but didn't have anything left. Shot 722.
Gladiator Pearl is the bomb!!
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Post by: tommymo on October 21, 2008, 08:06:37 AM
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Post by: gsback on October 21, 2008, 09:05:55 AM
Tommy....trust me, you'll like it!! Very good ball and as I've said in the thread on all time fav Vis stuff....this is my favorite and will be for some time. Just tooooooo good!!
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Post by: scotts33 on October 21, 2008, 12:37:23 PM
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216, 213, 290 -- G-3
Great shootin' Stephen. Did lanes carry down a lil and G-3 stiffened up in 1-3?
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on October 24, 2008, 08:44:45 AM
quote:quote:
216, 213, 290 -- G-3
Great shootin' Stephen. Did lanes carry down a lil and G-3 stiffened up in 1-3?
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Yes and No. I was bowling with the Immortal Pearl and only playing a small swing, however, when I got the ball in a little, it would make enough turn to wither stick a 4 pin or go through the face.
As the lanes started to open up in the track area and I started chasing the shot left, the Imm Pearl was getting into a roll way too fast and wrapping 10's. I went to the G-3 and moved in just a little. This time, if I got the ball inside my mark a board or two, it was High Flush.
Last night, tried a different approach games 1 & 2 with a pin under Gladiator Solid and a pin under ogre, they were okay, but didn't give me the little extra I felt I needed on the backend. So midway through game 2, I switched to the Imm Pearl, saw how that was starting to roll after a few frames, and then on my fill in the 10th threw the G-3.
Made a small move left game 3, went front 6 or 7, wrapped a 10, sheet with 9 count on fill for 278.
Going to drill 8 new balls (all VBP too!)so hopefully i'll have some honor scores soon.
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Post by: scotts33 on October 24, 2008, 08:49:16 AM
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Going to drill 8 new balls (all VBP too!)so hopefully i'll have some honor scores soon.
Did you give up on Banger Stephen?
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on October 25, 2008, 06:27:03 PM
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Post by: gsback on October 27, 2008, 10:37:29 AM
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Last night I went 257,221,258 for a 736 using my violet gargoyle
Another great ball right there!! I drool when I see that NIB 15lb sitting on my work shelf.....just begging to be drilled up!!
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Post by: Spike2112 on October 27, 2008, 06:33:02 PM
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Another great ball right there!! I drool when I see that NIB 15lb sitting on my work shelf.....just begging to be drilled up!!
I know that comment was directed my way. That's cool. You know I'll be closing the gap once I get that Gladiator punched up!
Spike
Post by: gsback on October 28, 2008, 09:43:48 AM
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I know that comment was directed my way. That's cool. You know I'll be closing the gap once I get that Gladiator punched up!
Nope....comment was directed towards anyone wanting one...and not able to get one!!
Oh yeah...even though you helped me by allowing your average to drop 2 pins....I went out and upped that by another 2 pins for my average!! Can't see that Glad making up 36 pins difference just yet!!
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Post by: gsback on October 28, 2008, 09:45:20 AM
quote:quote:
I know that comment was directed my way. That's cool. You know I'll be closing the gap once I get that Gladiator punched up!
Nope....comment was directed towards anyone wanting one...and not able to get one!!
Oh yeah...even though you helped me by allowing your average to drop 2 pins....I went out and upped that by another 2 pins for my average!! Can't see that Glad making up 36 pins difference just yet!!
On edit.....Glad Pearl still rolling like a champ. Shot 721 with my son for Youth/Adult League on Saturday. Changed it up a little using the Violet Gargoyle to shoot 748 last night. Average is up 18 pins from where it was last year and the end of the season.
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Post by: ARROWS on October 29, 2008, 06:54:35 AM
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on November 07, 2008, 05:35:13 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on November 07, 2008, 05:47:14 AM
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300 - AMB Bronze!
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Way to GO Stephen!!!
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on November 07, 2008, 08:51:03 AM
Almost shot another one last night, went front 7, missed the move and left a 4pin, threw a double, then stoned an 8pin for 268 (738 set)
Buddy on my team, ebonite staffer shot 300 the same game i shot 268!
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Post by: scotts33 on November 07, 2008, 09:16:01 AM
BTW....I like the way you laid out your website with the drilling angles, VAL angles and total angles on your equipment. http://www.bowl4money.com/what.html
What's your PAP and stats.?
I'd put the Visionary link on your site.
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on November 07, 2008, 09:39:42 AM
My speed is between 15 to mid-16, depending on the shot.
My rev rate is medium to upper medium depending on the shot.
I've never been tested so I would be able to give exacts, just going by what the avg. range.
I haven't drilled any of the new 9 balls i've gotten. I've been waiting to take my axis measurement again one more time. Then I will put all the angles and such back on the site.....
My axis has changed over the years.
2003-06 - 4 right 3/8 down
2006 - 2008 - 4 1/2 right
JAN. 2008 - AUG. 2008 - 4 3/8 right 5/16 up
SEPT. 2008 - PRESENT - 4 5/8 right 1/2 up
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on November 07, 2008, 12:22:15 PM
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300 - AMB Bronze!
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Post by: MarkinCincy on November 10, 2008, 08:34:06 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on November 11, 2008, 05:59:10 AM
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259-236-262 - 757 New personal high with B/G Centaur. Long story but, I only made 3 spares all night. Had 1 split and missed two 10-pins in the second game or it would have been higher.
mark
Nice rolling Mark!!! Tell us about youer lane condition and why you use the B/G Centaur. I'm always interested as to why bowlers use specific pieces to match their game up to the lane conditions at hand.
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Post by: MarkinCincy on November 11, 2008, 07:11:55 PM
Overall I used 3 Visionary balls. I have a Charcoal Executioner that I use for most applications. I've rolled my high game of 297 and 3 different 700's with it since last March. I also picked up an Immortal Solid that I use for a heavier oil pattern but, I don't get to use it much as I like the Charcoal better and it seems to cover most conditions.
So there you have a short story made long.
Mark
Post by: scotts33 on November 12, 2008, 05:55:24 AM
quote:
OK Scott you asked. I bowl in a Christian men's league. The real interesting tidbit is that there is a gentleman who bowls in the league who is blind. As a result he needs help getting to the line. They use portable rails that they set up on the alleys he bowls on. So we ended up bowling against his team last night. Wonderful bunch of guys but, the rails for Terry (the blind man) make shooting anything on the right hand side difficult for us righties. It also makes standing far left and cranking or even swinging the ball fairly difficult as well. We have bowled against this team twice in league play. Both times I have pulled out the B/G, stood center and played just inside of the second arrow and rolled down and in. First time I shot 685 and last night the 757. The B/G holds a nice tight line and does not over react on the backend so it makes it perfect for this application.
Overall I used 3 Visionary balls. I have a Charcoal Executioner that I use for most applications. I've rolled my high game of 297 and 3 different 700's with it since last March. I also picked up an Immortal Solid that I use for a heavier oil pattern but, I don't get to use it much as I like the Charcoal better and it seems to cover most conditions.
So there you have a short story made long.
Mark
Good info. Mark! Looks like you chose the right ball for the application.
It's what makes Visionary good in that they offer a lil something for everybody.
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Post by: Luckyzzzzz on November 15, 2008, 10:23:28 PM
I got this ball primarily to replace one of my other ones. I was big on Banger when they first came out, and really liked the Hole Pounder Pearl, but with all the problems they've been having, I wanted to get something else and the G-Pearl seemed like a very close replacement. The early rolling pearl matches up well with my style. I'm very happy with the ball so far, and I always have people asking me what I'm throwing, as the ball is a pretty unique looking orb.
Post by: scotts33 on November 26, 2008, 05:37:26 AM
Last night in a 3 man league on older Bruns Anvilane 1st Generation....have to play 'em pretty straight as that is where the best carry seems to be. Started with Ogre Particle....not a good choice get to the hole but leave some designer spares. Change to B/G Centaur move everything right and bingo nice game.....lanes transition some with more carry down. Team mates are playing same line as well as 2 of the other team...more carry down in front of the 1-3 making small differential B/G kind of back up a little so I change to a weak drilled Immortal Solid pin over middle 5 1/2" pin to PAP CG/MB kicked in MB winding up 2" right of my thumb drilled an X hole this week on the gradient line in basic P3 position giving the IS with 7/8 oz. finger weight. Took it to 2000ab. I haven't measured the dual angle numbers...have to do that.
So, I go in the last game first 10.....10 pin make for a 289. I've always wondered about using this ball straight up but thought it might be too strong but not on this condition. Should have done the X hole a long time ago and used this ball for this type of shot. Makes ya think sheesh what the heck have you been doing dummy!
For those that have never tried a strong ball weakly drilled on a straighter trajectory this might be the ticket. I can't pitch it outside and have the recovery of most balls but if you have the game to play straight this layout and ability to carry on some carry down is better than most....I was impressed and also dissapointed in myself that I hadn't tried this earlier.
Who is gonna shoot some big numbers with a NEW BREED pearl or solid?????
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Post by: Spike2112 on November 26, 2008, 06:29:52 AM
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Who is gonna shoot some big numbers with a NEW BREED pearl or solid?????
I'm putting my money on gsback. He's been lights out since he got the Gladiator twins, so if these balls are like Gladiators on steroids, no doubt he'll post the numbers. I'm always at least 1-2 lines behind him, so don't look to add a New Breed until next year! Happy with my Glad Solid right now. Great piece!
Spike
Post by: MarkinCincy on November 26, 2008, 06:56:17 AM
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Post by: Badger856 on November 26, 2008, 07:40:38 AM
Post by: scotts33 on November 26, 2008, 08:53:36 AM
I don't think I'd be scared to try a New Breed Pearl at Village. 3-4 more boards hook Jason says.
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Post by: pop_1 on November 26, 2008, 12:31:01 PM
Post by: Luckyzzzzz on November 27, 2008, 12:01:13 AM
It's my first 299, so I'll take it. The ball was dead flush and it was kind of a freak thing to happen, especially on the last ball.
Post by: gsback on November 27, 2008, 05:04:25 AM
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Post by: Teej7753 on December 16, 2008, 02:32:17 AM
Shot 668 with Ogre particle on 38' THS (258, 198, 212)
Shot 671 with Green Gargoyle on 36' THS (241, 204, 226)
Then almost shot 190 Triplicate with my Bronze Centaur
Visionary stuff has done me great! Its all I throw and all i plan to throw for a good while!
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Post by: JamminJD on December 19, 2008, 10:09:27 PM
Ogre Pearl=729 with 299
SS=719
SS=759
I truly love the Ogre line, best bang for buck that is no lie.
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Post by: drillbit on December 26, 2008, 10:24:02 PM
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Post by: gsback on December 27, 2008, 06:23:40 AM
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Last 3 weeks with Ogre Pearl and SS.
Ogre Pearl=729 with 299
SS=719
SS=759
I truly love the Ogre line, best bang for buck that is no lie.
I shared this sentiment before as well.....comparing the Hammer Blade line with the Ogre lineup. I thought when Ebonite bought Hammer, the Blade line was what really gave them something for most bowlers to go with allowing for max performance for the best price.
The Ogre line is the new king for that.....hands down!!
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Post by: gsback on February 03, 2009, 03:50:50 AM
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Who is gonna shoot some big numbers with a NEW BREED pearl or solid?????
Well Scott, not the greatest set as it should have been higher, but at least I got the all important first game with it.
300-201-246 last night with the New Breed Pearl.
I've actually noticed that something was off with me lately....shooting has not been consistent. Shot 7 games on Saturday and am noticing that I am not playing that 3rd line consistently with the slight swing/big belly hook as was evidence by leaves and scores. Moved right and played the real tight bellyhook and the scores were there.
Decided to try the NB Pearl first out as it's been a while since I did and I had 2 looks....and decided to go with the basic down and in shot. Worked real nice and got a little confidence back. Just what I needed.
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Post by: scotts33 on February 03, 2009, 05:18:48 AM
BTW.....I went back to my all Visionary line-up. Ogre Particle, Solid Glad, Ogre Pearl, SS Ogre and Glowing Amulet. I'll add one maybe both of the New Breed's this year.
How are your NB's laid out? I like Stephen Hahn's NB Solid layout and thinking of trying something like that with the drilling angles near the same for heavier.
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on February 03, 2009, 07:47:54 AM
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Post by: gsback on February 03, 2009, 09:06:02 AM
As for layouts:
NB Pearl - http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/gary_lum/New_Breed_Pearl.jpg
NB Solid - http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/gary_lum/New_Breed_Solid.jpg
As with most of my Vis stuff, the layouts are very close. Ogre Particle and Blue Centaur Particle are completely different, and the Violet I do have a label leverage drill instead.
But, I do like how the balls rolls for me that way.
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Post by: yokerok on February 03, 2009, 09:33:50 AM
246-290-183-206-235-300
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Post by: gsback on February 03, 2009, 10:29:34 AM
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Post by: tizzle on February 03, 2009, 10:49:07 AM
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on February 03, 2009, 12:18:15 PM
Im really loving my all Executioner lineup, with either a Gladiator solid or Frankie May mixed within the four ball bag.
I still have a Gladiator Pearl thats NIB... Too many choices are both good and bad!
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Post by: scotts33 on February 03, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
quote:
Looks like I need to get my new breeds soon! I'm not sure though how Im gonna drill them and at what specs I wanna get.
Matt,
Look at Stephen Hahn's layout for his NB's. Solid NB Pin up left of ring with tighter drilling angle 55 and VAL angle 45 and his Pearl NB with pin under and more opened up angles. Not sure of his stats. but he's an above average tweener. http://www.bowl4money.com/what.html
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Post by: captainhook on February 03, 2009, 08:12:00 PM
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Post by: yokerok on February 13, 2009, 07:44:34 AM
Since I have liked this ball so much, I have been eyeing up one of the older gryphons on ebay.
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Post by: gsback on February 13, 2009, 09:48:24 AM
quote:
Since I have liked this ball so much, I have been eyeing up one of the older gryphons on ebay.
Depending on lanes, I'd say a nice G3 might be in order....also depending on how you have the FMG set up.
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on February 13, 2009, 11:56:05 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on February 13, 2009, 12:50:05 PM
I had one of my better sets with a Solid Glad on Wed. 288 first game.....enough fooling around with non-Visionary stuff.
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Post by: echidapus on February 13, 2009, 01:16:22 PM
290 Ogre SS
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High game 300
High series 804
High triplicate 774
High average 221
best game. when I was 6 I bowled a 158
I have a 16# morich awesome finish I want to trade. 1 season on it. I am looking for 15# stuff
Post by: Krumpy300 on February 13, 2009, 01:38:46 PM
I may have to drill my NIB Greenie very soon
Post by: Spike2112 on February 13, 2009, 08:21:44 PM
Spike
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Post by: lenstanles703 on February 15, 2009, 08:16:50 PM
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Post by: MarkinCincy on February 17, 2009, 05:24:39 AM
Mark
Post by: gsback on February 17, 2009, 09:17:49 AM
quote:
Can't roll with the big dogs around here, but tonight shot my first 700 of the season with my Granite Gargoyle. 247, 224, 247. Such a smooth, hard-arcing beast! We had a soupy shot tonight and the Granite just walked into the 1-3 all night destroying the rack! Makes me wonder why I got away from this ball?
'Bout time for that good series to come rolling in!!
As for why you got away from the Granite.....it's like having a GF and going to the strip joint.....you know your gonna get some.....just a matter of the flavor for the night!! In other words.....tooooooo many toys to play with in all the Visionary equipment you've got!! LOL!!
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Post by: echidapus on February 19, 2009, 01:55:07 PM
224
263
272(1/2 game without my middle finger in the ball, to swollen from injury wouldn't fit)
759
ogre SS
Post by: Teej7753 on February 23, 2009, 12:29:43 AM
Shot
260
226
268
for 754
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Post by: 2good865 on February 23, 2009, 12:38:58 AM
208
279
300
4 an 787
and
270
248
287
4 an 805
Post by: MI 2 AZ on February 23, 2009, 12:53:43 PM
Keep it up.
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Post by: Spike2112 on February 27, 2009, 07:59:53 PM
Spike
Post by: Krumpy300 on March 01, 2009, 06:41:06 PM
Keep up the great bowling guys.
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Post by: bltbyj on March 01, 2009, 07:02:24 PM
Scores for qualifying
168
225
259
And the final four matches.
214
269
220
And a 242 to win it.
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on March 02, 2009, 11:53:18 PM
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Won our ABT Tournament today with my Purple Ogre. I got lucky and made the cut in the five spot.
Scores for qualifying
168
225
259
And the final four matches.
214
269
220
And a 242 to win it.
Yup he was on fire...
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Post by: 2good865 on March 03, 2009, 12:06:29 AM
270
248
287
series 805
and a
208
279
300
series 787
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Post by: Krumpy300 on March 16, 2009, 09:33:52 AM
Don't know why it took me so long to drill another, one of my all time favorites. Was also able to use it all 3 games which is a bonus with this ball. Drilled it pin over ring and swung the cg an inch (5x4).
For those of you who need some length and a ball that you know will corner, this is a great ball. Can handle a little oil as well as long as the backends aren't too spotty.
Post by: scotts33 on March 16, 2009, 09:49:17 AM
As spring approaches with warmer weather and lanes dry out B/G Centaur and SS Ogre are my favs!
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Post by: Krumpy300 on March 16, 2009, 09:58:48 AM
My Crimson Ex and SS will be a nice combo for the last few weeks. I am in a Trio league on fresh oil and they toast up pretty good by the middle of the 2nd game. I had a BGC, but I could never come up with a good surface that worked for me. Going to have to drill another at some point and try again.
I have a Greenie NIB that is calling me but it may be overkill. I did take a Glad Solid drilled 4.5x4.5 to 1000 plus Beans SS and had a great reaction as well in practice but I knew when the lanes started to change, the SS was the better choice.
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on March 18, 2009, 08:34:43 AM
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You did remember to put some soothing bubble bath in before soaking the ball, right? If not, there's your problem. Lane 1 balls are obviously female (diamond core, cost more, high maintenance, etc.) therefore, if the bath was not to her liking, she probably got so mad at you she cracked her shell. It's the bowling ball way of busting that throbbing vessel in her forehead...
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Post by: A_P_K on March 18, 2009, 08:40:35 AM
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Post by: Krumpy300 on March 19, 2009, 08:22:46 AM
Maybe he needs to take the cover to 4000 to get a better reaction at Carolier and that surface.
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on March 19, 2009, 08:41:07 AM
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You did remember to put some soothing bubble bath in before soaking the ball, right? If not, there's your problem. Lane 1 balls are obviously female (diamond core, cost more, high maintenance, etc.) therefore, if the bath was not to her liking, she probably got so mad at you she cracked her shell. It's the bowling ball way of busting that throbbing vessel in her forehead...
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Post by: scotts33 on March 19, 2009, 08:41:19 AM
I am seeing less and less oil as spring approaches. Used a B/G Centaur last night fluffing it up 10 and prior to that right of track using plastic.....built a nice hold area.
Might be time to start bringing Amulet Glow soon!
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Post by: A_P_K on March 19, 2009, 08:45:23 AM
Not to hijack but he took the other Ogre peal to have drilled pin over ring with the CG near the midline. Will keep you posted.
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Post by: Krumpy300 on March 19, 2009, 09:04:20 AM
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I'm going to try and throw my ogre ss tonight. That ball and the immortal solid I have had bad luck with.
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The SS can be a bit over under, have you played with the surface at all??? I like mine because I don't throw the ball overly hard (16-17 on Quibeca) and I am able to open up the lane with mine. Plus my release tends to smooth out any jumpiness off the spot.
Don't give up on it, but it isn't a benchmark ball by any means, unless you bowl on lighter patterns with clean backends.
Post by: scotts33 on March 19, 2009, 09:08:38 AM
quote:
Not to hijack but he took the other Ogre peal to have drilled pin over ring with the CG near the midline. Will keep you posted.
That is how my Ogre Pearl is drilled. I like it most of the time. Have taken it from OOB to 4000ab back to OOB.
I am pretty convinced than on most THS China that most of us can use SS's, OP's, and B/G's with great results.
Less is more!
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Post by: icewall on March 19, 2009, 11:12:11 AM
consistently over 600 for the past 3 weeks with the ogre pearl as i changed my entire way my balls are drilled and only had the pearl. so i went to practice with my redrilled ogre ss and the trusty ogre pearl.
wasnt even trying first game and shot 182... ok not bad for practice. then i stop goofing around and throw the front 7.... ending with a 237? i think. then a 220+ (front 5)
for a 641. haha wasnt really trying and had a new thumb drilled and not enough tape for my middle finger (no grips / white tape) and i still managed to dominate the china shot.
BTW this was at jersey lanes in NJ(duh) and after a league beat up the lanes.
lovin' the ogres
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on March 19, 2009, 12:37:35 PM
quote:quote:
I'm going to try and throw my ogre ss tonight. That ball and the immortal solid I have had bad luck with.
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The SS can be a bit over under, have you played with the surface at all??? I like mine because I don't throw the ball overly hard (16-17 on Quibeca) and I am able to open up the lane with mine. Plus my release tends to smooth out any jumpiness off the spot.
Don't give up on it, but it isn't a benchmark ball by any means, unless you bowl on lighter patterns with clean backends.
It maybe my high ball speed that hurts me or maybe I'm just throwing it wrong. I'm going to take it to maroon pad and storm step 2. I've played with the coverstock alittle bit. The only problem is that was before I started keeping track of coverstock mods so I might as well start from scratch. I bowl second shift tonight so we'll see what happens.
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Post by: JamminJD on March 19, 2009, 03:25:15 PM
Post by: MC on March 19, 2009, 10:31:45 PM
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Post by: MC on March 20, 2009, 12:35:31 PM
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Those new Visionary balls are uglier than a one legged, bearded, carnie chick. What is the name of them again, the In-Bred and In-Bred Pearl?
May not like how they look.... but they roll very nice.
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Post by: Krumpy300 on March 20, 2009, 01:05:38 PM
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Those new Visionary balls are uglier than a one legged, bearded, carnie chick. What is the name of them again, the In-Bred and In-Bred Pearl?
Makes you feel right at home huh Sleepy
Post by: blacknois on March 20, 2009, 01:13:58 PM
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on March 20, 2009, 01:40:15 PM
quote:quote:
Those new Visionary balls are uglier than a one legged, bearded, carnie chick. What is the name of them again, the In-Bred and In-Bred Pearl?
Makes you feel right at home huh Sleepy
He would know...
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Post by: Krumpy300 on March 24, 2009, 08:03:01 PM
To me, this ball reminds me of a BGC with more hook overall, very similar motion for me. Everyone was moaning how the lanes were breaking down and the OPART was smooth as silk.
If you bowl on a shot with heavy oil up front I highly recommend this ball. As Scott33 stated, just get it on line and it will do the rest. Shots that look high just set up and it has just enough movement to rip the rack on half pocket shots. Not a ball to go coast to coast with though.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on March 24, 2009, 08:13:40 PM
Krumpy - 21 in a row - good bowling. What were your scores?
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Post by: Krumpy300 on March 24, 2009, 08:39:59 PM
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Good bowling everyone.
Krumpy - 21 in a row - good bowling. What were your scores?
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Thank You MI2AZ. I went 228-300-264. Started with a ball that didn't read the midlane as well and switched about 5 frames too late. Sometimes you just have to admit that as hard as you try, you can't make every ball work, at least I can't. Went 9 pin in the 10th and switched to the O-PART for the fill ball.
Right lane had carrydown but the O-PART pretty much ignored it. As the game progressed my reaction got better. Pulled the 11th one a hair and ball just set for a high flush. Moved 2-1 on the left lane to start the 3rd game on the lane that was making everyone nuts and the O-PART just held the line so well, was almost unfair.
Got really pumped up in the 9th and just flew it by the breakpoint for a 2-4-10. Could not get angry at all because it was such a fun string. Very interesting ball so far
Post by: scotts33 on March 25, 2009, 06:09:44 AM
Ogre Particle for first two games 270 & 255. Ogre Pearl last game as mids were broken down 238 for 763.
Just as Krumpy/Ken has been saying the Ogre Particle is amazing....just let it do the work. I used my fluffer style no hand sliding 21 up 9-10 at arrows and holding a tight line.
Great ball Visionary!!!
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Post by: Krumpy300 on March 25, 2009, 06:48:02 AM
Post by: A_P_K on March 25, 2009, 07:02:44 AM
Jeff S had the other OP redrilled and the operator didn't listen to his request of pin over the ring finger with the CG near the midline.
What he got was pin in the bridge with the CG kicked right that looked to be about a mile away.
He has low rpms to begin with and this ball just dies on the backend. What a waste of a drill on a good ball. It reminds me of my Creature solid, just rolly on drier lanes, useless because you can't get too deep, and skate on any kind of oil.
Hopefully he'll get the operator to listen on the next Visionary ball he punches up.
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Post by: Krumpy300 on March 25, 2009, 07:10:17 AM
quote:
So where is the bad score thread? lol
Jeff S had the other OP redrilled and the operator didn't listen to his request of pin over the ring finger with the CG near the midline.
What he got was pin in the bridge with the CG kicked right that looked to be about a mile away.
He has low rpms to begin with and this ball just dies on the backend. What a waste of a drill on a good ball. It reminds me of my Creature solid, just rolly on drier lanes, useless because you can't get too deep, and skate on any kind of oil.
Hopefully he'll get the operator to listen on the next Visionary ball he punches up.
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We may have to start a bad score thread
Thanks a shame Anthony. That ball is pretty midlane dominant to begin with. Any chance of bringing the cover up to see if it can store some energy??? Or is there another shot that Jeff bowls on that he could use it on??
Post by: A_P_K on March 25, 2009, 07:24:25 AM
At Carolier lately the lanes have been fried so his SS is more useful with it's length and strong finish.
Jeff should get use out of this OP in the summer at Majestic. On the mild China he can probably get a controlled bounce off the dry without over reaction. He had success with the OS last year thanks to the slow response to friction.
He'll kill me but for the record he shot 156.
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Post by: scotts33 on March 25, 2009, 07:31:37 AM
Ogre Pearl Layout
........P........
.....0..0........
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.......cg........
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.......0.........
Ogre Particle Layout x hole at P2 on the gradient line
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.....0..0p.......
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..........cg.....
...........x.....
.......0.........
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Post by: A_P_K on March 25, 2009, 07:37:55 AM
Um, what surface adjustment would you suggest, 4000ab matte, 2000ab polished? I don't have a lot to work with but I can try something for him next week.
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Post by: scotts33 on March 25, 2009, 07:54:31 AM
The illustration is pretty crude. Pin is right over my ring Cg kicked in a little about 1/2" right of mid grip on the mid line.
I've tried it at OOB and 4000 abralon. When I want to control the backend for me and the backends are flying I've used it at 4000ab. You get a little more arcing reaction with it at 4000ab. Since, I've been bowling more tourneys in WI <Sr. State, State and local on older wood> I took it back to as close to as I can get OOB which I think is a moderate amount of pressure using Storm Step #2. I like the slightly more length and oooomph off the spot with the slight amount of carry down present. On synthetic, I'd get a better reaction at 4000ab on fresh.
It's plenty of ball for me with 4 1/2" pin to PAP and PAP to cg about 4 3/4". I have a Yeah Baby laid out like this and one of my favs. I also had a Awakening drilled like this which you know about A_P_K and for whatever reason the Ogre Pearl worked out as a better ball for me. I think I like the resin/cover Visionary uses better than 900g's BASF covers. Just a perosnal thing.
I use an SS Ogre pin over bridge and CG directly below as the next ball under when moving in on inside trajectories.
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on March 25, 2009, 01:46:43 PM
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Good bowling everyone.
Krumpy - 21 in a row - good bowling. What were your scores?
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Thank You MI2AZ. I went 228-300-264. Started with a ball that didn't read the midlane as well and switched about 5 frames too late. Sometimes you just have to admit that as hard as you try, you can't make every ball work, at least I can't. Went 9 pin in the 10th and switched to the O-PART for the fill ball.
Right lane had carrydown but the O-PART pretty much ignored it. As the game progressed my reaction got better. Pulled the 11th one a hair and ball just set for a high flush. Moved 2-1 on the left lane to start the 3rd game on the lane that was making everyone nuts and the O-PART just held the line so well, was almost unfair.
Got really pumped up in the 9th and just flew it by the breakpoint for a 2-4-10. Could not get angry at all because it was such a fun string. Very interesting ball so far
Wow!! Great job Ken!! I may try the light coat of polish on mine too!!
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Post by: Krumpy300 on March 25, 2009, 08:27:23 PM
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on March 25, 2009, 11:27:10 PM
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Post by: bltbyj on March 26, 2009, 03:58:33 PM
Post by: Krumpy300 on April 02, 2009, 10:12:46 PM
Just a wonderful, predictable ball. You can't swing the whole lane with it, but if you like going flush shot after shot after shot, this ball definitely helps the cause.
Edited on 4/3/2009 3:45 PM
Post by: gsback on April 03, 2009, 02:36:41 PM
Krumpy....can't agree more. That's the one thing I like about the O Particle is that it ignores a lot that other balls have problems with. We bowled a handicap team that uses plastic. I threw all 3 games with my O Particle in preparation of the slop going everywhere. Ball rolled well for all 3 games.
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Post by: REvans284 on April 03, 2009, 05:47:16 PM
279 with Granite Gargoyle
266 with combination of Granite and a Hammer Emerald Vibe (one on one lane, one on the other).
Tricky league, different house... havent averaged below 210 in 4 years, and after 5 weeks in this house I was averaging 193
. I'm up to 203 now and still digging.Later,
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Post by: icewall on April 04, 2009, 01:26:53 AM
shot 280 (9/ in the 2nd)
should have switched to the ogre pearl but thought my line wasnt going to disappear. but still even with flush shots i kept leaving 8 and 9 pins (damn twister pins!)
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Post by: All10 on April 10, 2009, 09:28:00 AM
there was a 300 with a Frankie May Gryphon last night.
Post by: blackjack on April 13, 2009, 05:37:15 PM
new breed solid
Post by: gsback on April 24, 2009, 05:08:13 AM
I've been struggling as of late in the normal league. I think I am more burnt out on the drama of the team and it's not the same as it was the beginning of the year so I am just not into it now.
Subbing on Thursday and using the G3 mostly as lanes are reacting well with it. Got to finally shoot some games with the Ogre SS as well.
Last night though, 300 out of the gate with the G3. Still hit 225 and 212 though the 12 shots in the second game were just as good if not better than the 12 in the first game. Interesting how that works out.
G3 is strong.....I will say that!!
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Post by: Krumpy300 on April 24, 2009, 07:41:59 AM
How do the G3 and the SS compare???
Post by: gsback on April 24, 2009, 09:33:07 AM
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Posted: 4/24/2009 7:41 AM Reply with quote VERY VERY well done G!!! Great bowling and congrats on the 300.
How do the G3 and the SS compare???
Thanks!!
SS is definitely longer than the G3...hands down. Ball gets down and has a strong read....but with my speed at times....I don't like that reaction. I'm just not a fan of throwing the ball and sitting there saying to myself..."OK...anytime you want to flip....come on....come on". LOL!!
I took some of the OOB finish off it and now it reads earlier and instill a little more confidence. Still a strong pop for the finish.
In terms of comparing....I feel the G3 is more well rounded. For my game and with how I throw, the G3 allows me to swing the ball (for me....
) and play down and in and anywhere in between.Not so sure of the SS yet. Playing mostly down and in with it only.
Off the dry....G3 seems to react a lot sooner than the SS though.
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Post by: scotts33 on April 24, 2009, 09:49:45 AM
I am done with leagues thankfully. Summer off. Won our Wed. 5 man hdcp. league. Mainly used New Breed Pearl.
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Post by: gsback on April 24, 2009, 10:31:58 AM
Inverted.....assuming you were talking Glad Pearl?? That is a solid ball!!
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on April 24, 2009, 01:22:03 PM
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Will finally get back onto this thread for scores instead of commentary.
I've been struggling as of late in the normal league. I think I am more burnt out on the drama of the team and it's not the same as it was the beginning of the year so I am just not into it now.
Subbing on Thursday and using the G3 mostly as lanes are reacting well with it. Got to finally shoot some games with the Ogre SS as well.
Last night though, 300 out of the gate with the G3. Still hit 225 and 212 though the 12 shots in the second game were just as good if not better than the 12 in the first game. Interesting how that works out.
G3 is strong.....I will say that!!
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on April 24, 2009, 01:33:50 PM
I really didn't care for the ball that much until I tried a cover adjustment on it , played a totally different line that I've never played before. It first started on Wednesday night with a G-3 I have that has never impressed me personally either until I changed the cover on it too and played that different line (left foot on 20, targeting 11/12. Shot 203-149-233 that night with it just threw the ball horrible that second game.
Cause on Thursday nights I bowl a second shift I wanted a ball with a medium RG and medium differential as the G-3 is low RG medium differential, to read later I used that one.
I bowl both shifts tonight and I will shoot 7+ tonight!
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Post by: Krumpy300 on April 24, 2009, 01:42:25 PM
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Posted: 4/24/2009 7:41 AM Reply with quote VERY VERY well done G!!! Great bowling and congrats on the 300.
How do the G3 and the SS compare???
Thanks!!
SS is definitely longer than the G3...hands down. Ball gets down and has a strong read....but with my speed at times....I don't like that reaction. I'm just not a fan of throwing the ball and sitting there saying to myself..."OK...anytime you want to flip....come on....come on". LOL!!
I took some of the OOB finish off it and now it reads earlier and instill a little more confidence. Still a strong pop for the finish.
In terms of comparing....I feel the G3 is more well rounded. For my game and with how I throw, the G3 allows me to swing the ball (for me....
Not so sure of the SS yet. Playing mostly down and in with it only.
Off the dry....G3 seems to react a lot sooner than the SS though.
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Thanks G for the breakdown. I am a BIG fan of the SS. I was thinking of adding a G3 for a ball to sit between the OPart and the SS. Still toying with the idea of drilling another OPart and taking it to 4000 with polish. I am thinking that would be a great ball for a THS. Length with a readible reaction and plenty of pop at the pindeck.
Post by: gsback on April 24, 2009, 02:17:11 PM
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Thanks G for the breakdown. I am a BIG fan of the SS. I was thinking of adding a G3 for a ball to sit between the OPart and the SS. Still toying with the idea of drilling another OPart and taking it to 4000 with polish. I am thinking that would be a great ball for a THS. Length with a readible reaction and plenty of pop at the pindeck.
Krumpy, the only thing is the G3 has a little of the polish off as well. That would probably account for the slightly early read as well....but off the dry it moves!! I've never seen the O Particle shined...so I really can't comment. It would be an interesting test though.
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Post by: gsback on April 24, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
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I bowl both shifts tonight and I will shoot 7+ tonight!
Good shooting so far!!
Nothing like making a bold prediction!! Better man up on dat!!
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Post by: gsback on May 05, 2009, 12:35:40 PM
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ust wanted to congratulate D. Scott Johnson on some great bowling in the Terre Haute Mens city tournament. Using an Immortal Solid, he shot 810 in singles, 707 in doubles, and 757 in team for a new city tournament record 2275 all events total. Congrats!
Congrats......though that could have been mine! Man....if I knew there was an 800 in that ball I would have gladly traded that Gladiator Solid for it!!
I thought Jim's (jkiser01) stuff was the only ones with 300 and 800s still left in them.
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on May 14, 2009, 11:26:06 PM
Just got home from final position round in one league. I was going to either throw the Ogre solid or a Roto Grip Mercury. Two completely different balls with way different layouts and coverstock finish.
Started with the Ogre in practice and couldn't find a line plus wasn't throwing it well and never got to try any other ball nor wanted too for whatever reason. Started with a brooklyn strike, moved on the next shot and left a wide open split. From there I struck out for 266. Next game was on still on fire and strikes galore and had front 8 before nerves got to me I guess and pulled it left for a 8 count, spared and struck out in the 10th for 278. I was 144 up after two games and knew I could shoot 800 with the reaction I had and as well as I was throwing it. But a double came late thanks to a 10 and 3 7 pins with a 4 pin in there and in the 10th on the first ball left another 7. After picking it up on the fill ball I really tried to grab and rev it up really hard after being soft the whole night and left a Big 4 for that dumb mistake.
Shot 300 before and was hoping to get my 3rd one but have never been close going into the 3rd game to have an opportunity too shoot the impossible 800 and would easily take that any day over a perfect game. Though if I shot one the first or second game I would not only love it, it would have made going for the 800 that much easier!
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on June 06, 2009, 11:45:24 AM
Last Friday: 213-225-225=663 (new career high, but see further down...)
Thursday: 224-236-203=663
Yesterday: 223-203-277= 703 (NEW CAREER HIGH!)
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Post by: gsback on October 01, 2009, 04:47:55 AM
Have slowly gotten back into the mix and had a nice set last Monday throwing the Ogre Pearl and Immortal Pearl. I forgot how much I really liked the Ogre Pearl. Have used it as the mainstay last 2 weeks for the most part.
Shot 262-216-272 for a nice 750 last Monday with OP for first 2 games and IP for last. Played down and in and then moved left about 10 or so for last game with IP.
I don't think 800....rarely....but with how I was throwing the ball I was thinking it!! Second game cost me....I had a shot at 280 when I whiffed a 4 (yes....sad!) pin in the 9th and a 10 pin in the 10th. Had a shot a 290 in last game but my second big 4 of the night cost me there in the 11th. Oh well....I'll take what I shot....gladly!!
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Post by: scotts33 on October 02, 2009, 05:39:42 AM
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Have slowly gotten back into the mix and had a nice set last Monday throwing the Ogre Pearl and Immortal Pearl. I forgot how much I really liked the Ogre Pearl. Have used it as the mainstay last 2 weeks for the most part.
Ogre Pearl for most is one of the best medium pearl arcing balls Gary!
This layout http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/scotts33/VisOgrePearl.jpg works great from an outside angle for me but not as well deeper than third arrow.
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Post by: gsback on October 02, 2009, 07:17:55 AM
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Ogre Pearl for most is one of the best medium pearl arcing balls Gary!
This layout http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/scotts33/VisOgrePearl.jpg works great from an outside angle for me but not as well deeper than third arrow.
Pin up there just doesn't work well for me. I find that with my speed and all, I'd rather have it a little more aggressive and adjust my hand position to get less on it. I do love the Ogre Pearl though.....just forgot how good it really is!!
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My father in law rolled his first 700 in 6 years last night. Blue/Green Centaur. 202-255-258-715.
Congrats to him....nice way to get his first....with good ole VBP!!
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Post by: gsback on October 05, 2009, 06:45:54 AM
I gave my stuff a bath for the first time last week. Actually had a chance to use the NB Solid for the first time since the bath. WOW.....I really forgot how strong the ball is.
Looking for some good numbers tonight in the pearls.....as I also used the NB Pearl after its first bath. For those never thrown one before....try it!!
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Second that!! Good shooting!
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Post by: scotts33 on November 09, 2009, 04:18:10 PM
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300 first game last night with an Ogre particle got froms scotts33 kinda burnt up the track area then struggled to only shoot 709 oh well felt good to throw at least one decent game this year so far
Good game Larry! Congrats. I wondered if Watertown 18 would have enough oil to use the Ogre Particle. 230 n up says there is as he uses a VG mainly but on a 3 man league.
I am getting on well with the Cell Pearl we traded also. Great layout for me as I plugged and went with what you had.
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Post by: gsback on November 10, 2009, 04:07:17 AM
Have been using the NB Particle Pearl for the last 2 weeks. Outside of having my head hidden you know where in game 3 for last week when I should have switched balls have shot 258-248-179 and then 213-265-257.
Last night was on a fresh shot....saw some OOB!! Still rolled nicely playing down and in or swinging the ball. Can't complain at all....one strong ball!!
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Post by: gsback on November 22, 2009, 08:56:39 PM
Threw NB Pearl game 1 for 212 and Immortal for first 5 of game 3 and then went to NB Particle Pearl to close out a 230.
Can''t complain about a 742.....been throwing well lately between the different houses.
On edit.....I''ve said this before and I will say it again. The balls Jason and family make are what make the difference!! Sure, anyone and everyone is saying the lanes are getting easy, but the carry still has to be there....and it is with VBP. That''s the biggest difference I''ve seen in anything I''ve thrown.
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Post by: scotts33 on November 23, 2009, 09:32:17 AM
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Hit for my 5th 300 last night throwing the Immortal Pearl.
Nice Gary...very nice!!!!
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Post by: gsback on November 23, 2009, 10:43:39 AM
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Nice Gary...very nice!!!!
Thanks Scott!!
Interesting to note that the Pearls are where it's at for me right now. I am loving that Particle Pearl as well and really do foresee an honor score coming real soon with that ball. It's really does roll to sweet to expect nothing but from it!!
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Post by: gsback on November 23, 2009, 03:35:26 PM
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Congratulations Gary. Good bowling.
Thanks Gary.....just trying to follow you!!
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Post by: gsback on November 24, 2009, 03:34:39 AM
Last 2 weeks in Youth/Adult I''ve seen 700s as well as a 300 this past Sunday. Average is close to 219 but that''s more due to me not adjusting to the league and all the plastic....and a house I don''t bowl in.
In normal league over the last 6 weeks I am averaging almost 238, and that''s almost all NB Particle Pearl to be honest. It really is that good of a ball. Carry is there without a doubt!! Last 3 weeks have been 700s as well.
For those liking Visionary and thinking about a little Christmas present to themselves.......seriously think about this ball!!
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Post by: gsback on December 01, 2009, 03:56:47 AM
THS....but someone bowled on the right lane....so left was consistent and right was already going. We had 5 guys playing a down and in shot for the most part and the right lane went fast. It was nice seeing a Granite Gargoyle and Centaur Pearl in the mix of balls too!!
Played game 1 and most of game 2 with the NB Particle Pearl. Played down and in on unused lanes and started a swing then to bellyhook on the other. Eventually played down and in on both.....but went right to the NB Reactive Pearl playing the same shot and it was a world of difference. Big 4 was all that kept me from shooting a 250+ game and my 6th 700 series.
Tellin ya guys, it's a very nice move from one ball to the next!!
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Post by: 42swaff on December 01, 2009, 08:43:30 AM
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i wanted to try something different, so called visionary had them hook me up with a new breed partical pearl,drilled it up label with pin up,took to the spinner for a touch of black magic,and all i can say is wow , first set with it was 219, 223 ,268 easy 710 with 3 opens, i cant wait to get used to this ball, for it is very smooth off the spot and the carry is unbelievable, more people need to be trying this ball, its a good one
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Had my 4th 700 series (727) of the season
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Post by: gsback on December 07, 2009, 06:20:23 AM
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279-290-216-785 with the Ogre SS. Strait up the 10 board.
Betting after those first two games, your nose was up in the air....sniff..sniff...what's that I smell.....800??
Good set though!! What ended up happening in the last one?? That much change?? Been there and know sometimes it's that much of a change....and sometimes it's us, the bowler.
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Post by: gsback on December 07, 2009, 06:39:38 AM
I do find it funny that people are similar to ball players....not wanting to tell that person that he/she has a possible 800. Most bowlers know exactly what they have going. While they may not know what they need, they know it's there.
I remember my first 800 about 2 months ago....no one wanted to say anything. Come 8th frame, I knew I needed 4 strikes and a 7 count to shoot it head on.
Still.....great shooting....and there will be another.
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Wuzn.....I agree at times I think after the fact why just didn't I use the OU from start???
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Post by: gsback on December 15, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Ended with a 745 though, which I can''t complain....couldn''t string ''em in game 3.
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Post by: gsback on December 16, 2009, 03:41:48 AM
Mike....keep chugging....it'll be coming I'm sure!
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