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scotts33

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Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« on: April 24, 2007, 04:49:26 AM »
OK....I've rolled my Black and Purple Pearl a total of 4 games.  3 practice and 1 league last game in set last night.  Will use again tonight.  Realise it's not a lot but folks want some info.

I have mine set up kind of a wacky label layout.  Pin over ring and CG basically in center of palm so that if you measure it....it's 90 deg. layout.  4 1/2 pin to PAP for me.  See stats. in profile.  I wanted length and decent backend and that's what I got.  FYI.....I also could see using this piece with a pin under ring CG shifted right or pin under bridge CG shifted right....I believe you'll still get enough length depending on your technique.

On semi broken down heads, I can move inside with great recovery.  On a THS with a lil more even application of oil side to side NOT wet/dry...I used it as a complimentary piece to my Solid Ogre.  Rolled two games with the Solid.  Heads started to go moved 2-3 left and 2 left with target at arrows....Pearl has more length and more angular recovery than Solid which only make sense.  Solid is 1000 abralon with some lane shine.  Pearl is OOB.  

Comparison so far is that the Pearl gets about 1' to 2' more than my LM/L Buzz and lil more hit angular.  Might be because cover is fresh not sure.  Buzz is laid out Pin over ring and CG shifted right 75 deg. layout.  

I'd say with this layout, my technique and lane condition I bowled on I am pleased to see what I've seen so far.  Need more games to give full report.

For those that think this ball won't be angular I think they'll be wrong.  Visionary great pearl covers...how can you go wrong???  

BTW...I culd see a number of folks using this ball with it slightly scuffed w/ strong layout to control roll and break point.  I did that w/ my G-3 in the past on the fresh and it works well.  I've left mine OOB for now as I wouldn't use it on the fresh so as not to lose it on the over/under off the oil line.  

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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2007, 12:56:27 PM »
Great report, as usual Scott...can't wait for mine!

One quick question though -- how would you compare it to the AMF Radar?
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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2007, 03:25:53 PM »
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One quick question though -- how would you compare it to the AMF Radar?


I've got a Radar set up pin under CG shifted to a 60 deg. layout.  Here's a pic.  http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/scotts33/AMFRadar.jpg

I'd have to say that the Radar rolls earlier because of the layout and tall core gives it the ability to have more flare.  There might be somewhat of a correlation kinda small to me though.  Radar more benchmark like the DT Solid Black Vendetta for me same kind of ball motion....more like a Solid Ogre w/ 1500 abralon earlier roll and even.  The Radar doesn't snap for me as much as the Pearl Ogre. But, it is earlier and I haven't used as much and the layouts on the two balls would vary their roll and hook.

I think the pearl Eradicator might be a stronger cover than the Radar's cover.

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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2007, 03:30:37 PM »
Thanks for the response.  Pretty close to what I would guess, given the core numbers, etc.
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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2007, 06:02:14 PM »
Scott,

The Radar and the Purple/Black Ogre might be a very interesting comparison. I have a Radar with the pin over the ring finger and the CG stacked below it; I did that because of the high degree of evenness of its reported ball reaction and, as far as I am concerned, I was right. Even with that flippy drill, it is still an even reacting ball, UNLESS I use it on too little oil.

Your unusual drill on your "Blurple" Ogre is one I tried on a couple of balls and I did not get good results. I'm inclined to believe that drill may hide the best features of the "blurple", but I understand why you tried it.

If I get the time and the money AND the inclination, I think I'll try the same drill as that on my Radar, on a Blurple Ogre. I like my "pumpkin" Ogre a lot so far and I love strong covers on low differential cores.  Soooo ... when will the Blurple be available to us peons??????
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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2007, 09:23:02 AM »
Scotts,

With you saying that it is angular, how would it compare to the G-3?
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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2007, 03:25:51 PM »
I would like to know the same thing.  How does the Blurple Ogre compare to a
G-3 Gryphon?  My guess is that it is in between the Green Gargoyle and the
G-3.  Handles more oil than the Green, but less overall hook than the G-3.

It makes me wonder if the Bluver Ogre will fit more between the Green and the Slate Blue.

Order of hookability of the pearls (My guess of course):

Slate
Blue/Silver Ogre
Green Gargoyle
Black/Purple Ogre
G-3 Gryphon
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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2007, 03:33:22 PM »
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Your unusual drill on your "Blurple" Ogre is one I tried on a couple of balls and I did not get good results. I'm inclined to believe that drill may hide the best features of the "blurple", but I understand why you tried it.


Actually Jeff....I think this drill is gonna work.  Used it last 1/2 game last night rolled same line as my Solid got more length and enough hard roll into 1-3 to carry very well.  The Solid and "Blurple" so far are a great 1-2 punch....one can follow same line edging in and just move from the Solid to the "Blurple".  I can't say that I always see that in most ball mfgs.  It's nice to not have to fish and know you can get lined up fast especially in a tourney.

Rock77.....the "Blurple" is angular but that with what I have bowled on and how I laid it out.  It fits great under the Solid.  It's ball motion is not "blam" off the spot but I don't see the ball losing any revs down the lane it's all off the hook and roll.  I have a C300 Hi-Jinx lower RG that revs earlier and doesn't carry as well and it's drilled stronger <more length pin over bridge but CG kicked to right> than the "Blurple".  http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/scotts33/C300HyJinx.jpg

That Pearl Eradicator is one nice cover from what I see.

The G-3 will hook more overall more dynamic core.  I'd put it above the "Blurple"  The Greenie under it but as Jason said the Blue/White Pearl will take over for the Greenie.

I'm loving "The Pumpkin" and "The Blurple".  They fit together so well.

Ya know what's so great about them is as Jeff said the low differential w/ strong cover that won't over read the back ends still cut thru carry down to a point and hit very well.  Great stuff Visionary............shot 696 last night with the two.  I'm liking 'em.




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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2007, 06:50:17 PM »
Ha! I finally beat somebody, Scott - shot 699 with the "Pumpkin" last Thursday. Whiffed the 6/10 in the 11th frame of the 3rd game; but I was so happy to get the first one in the 10th, which locked up the game for the team and the wood for the team for the 3 games, that I didn't care about the spare and just threw the ball. Gave it a big "Aw, shucks" when I got back to the score table but was happy to come through in the clutch; haven't done a lot lately.

Now that I said that, I'm sure to shoot 550 if I'm lucky tomorrow night.

Probably won't be enough oil to use the Pumpkin.
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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2007, 07:50:29 PM »
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Ha! I finally beat somebody, Scott - shot 699 with the "Pumpkin" last Thursday.  


Good rollin' brudda.  I knew you'd find enough oil one of these days.
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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2007, 08:03:15 PM »
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Ha! I finally beat somebody, Scott - shot 699 with the "Pumpkin" last Thursday.  


Good rollin' brudda.  I knew you'd find enough oil one of these days.
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Thanks. It happens once every blue moon.
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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2007, 06:06:55 AM »
Scott,

You had a crimson - how does the blurple compare to the crimson. Finally looking to retire the old executioner (although some days its just so impressive I wonder why).

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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2007, 03:12:51 PM »
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Scott,

You had a crimson - how does the blurple compare to the crimson. Finally looking to retire the old executioner (although some days its just so impressive I wonder why).

thanks

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Crimson been gone a long time but here's how I would compare.  Consider same layout on same condition.

G-3 strongest bit earlier
Crimson Ex. longer than G-3 for me bit less
"Blurple" Ogre lil less
Blue/Silver/White Ogre to come
Greenie most length and pop off the spot. <---pchee loved this ball

All get length because of their Visionary pearl covers.  It will depends on your technique and condition bowled on w/ layout.  These would be with OOB covers.  Scuff a pearl and you'll calm it down some.

I watched Rich Wonders....Jason and Jim's uncle use a G-3 semi-scuffed at Wis. Sr. State and rolled the same line I did with a Solid Ogre at 1000 abralon.

As they say "your mileage may vary".  
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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2007, 08:54:31 AM »
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How would you compare it to a Lane 1 HRG? Looking for a replacement my wife.


Wayne,

I can't give a good comparison as I am not a Lane 1 kinda guy.  Only owned 2 Lane 1 balls. Original Purple before it became a Pro Purple and another I can't even remember.  

charlest might have a guesstimation.
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Re: Initial Impression w/ Black and Purple Pearl Ogre
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2007, 10:17:21 AM »
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How would you compare it to a Lane 1 HRG? Looking for a replacement my wife.


Wayne,

I can't give a good comparison as I am not a Lane 1 kinda guy.  Only owned 2 Lane 1 balls. Original Purple before it became a Pro Purple and another I can't even remember.  

charlest might have a guesstimation.
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Not yet, as I don't have a Blurple yet, and I ain't too thrilled with my HRG; might be the drilling.

I strongly suspect the Blurple will hook more AND handle 1/2 to a full degree more oil than the HRG but that's just a guess-timate right now.
 
Trim man,

Don't forget being a low RG DIff pearl, its reaction will be VERY sensitive to the height of the pin above the midline. (That's why I wasn't so keen on Scott's drilling of his Blurple.)
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