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scotts33

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Same Layout/Drilling on Same Line???
« on: October 11, 2004, 04:25:56 AM »
I took this post from a topic in Misc. about same drilling differeing covers and it got mwe to thinking.  See below.  Anybody do this on say the Gargoyle line?  What were your results?

Jim Wonders from Visionary told me this last year or maybe year before. He took all his Visionary equipment and used the same layout on all of them. Then, he switched balls to match up to lane condition. I have been tempted to take my fav drill <basically a 4x3 pin next to or slightly above ring> and drill 3 Gargoyles Granite, Violet and Blue Slate and see how I match up. I think it would be interesting as the Gargoyle core is one of my favs.

The only time I'd use an exotic layout would be for extremes.  Ex. take a G-3 and drill for use deep inside.  

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Re: Same Layout/Drilling on Same Line???
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2004, 09:19:14 AM »
Anyone else have an opinion one way or another?

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Re: Same Layout/Drilling on Same Line???
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2004, 11:51:15 AM »
I have tried several drilling thoeries, including this one.
I have had sucess with all on them in some way or another.

On this subject it depends how many balls you want to carry, what your adjustment capabilies are and the oil patter you on.

if it just a league play and dealing with the breakdown. yes I think it is good. when I find the right breakpoint to carry I use all my adjustments. including equipment to maintain the same ball reaction at the breakpoint.

If you have a lot of skill this can be you one and only way if you vary the shell greatly and can move all over the lane.


Currently I carry 6 balls.

3 drilled specifical to turn on the backend and three drilled to read the midlane. thedrill patterns are all over and depend on maximizing each balls reaction.

I going to try a llittle comboniatio of all of these methods.


I'm going to setup 3 ball with the same pin placement based on my ideal pin position as given to me by Bill Calhoun of eBonite.

I will setup the MB or CGs to make 3 very diffrerent reactions and adjust the shells for the right reads on the lane. this will force me to move around the lanes more and grow my skillset.

I will use Strong MB balls to fill in gaps as needed.

the benifit of a strong MB ball is you really make a very specific reaction and carry well. drilling Strong MB balls with a genric drill dosen't do these balls justice. I know it I want a a ball to flip hard in the midlane I can tack a track ball place the pin 4" from pap and 1/2" above midline and Mb at 4. it will go crazy on short oil and have a strong continous roll on long oil.

the only reason to have more than 2 or 3 balls is to maximise your chances on lane conditions that take you A game away.











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Re: Same Layout/Drilling on Same Line???
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2004, 12:58:29 PM »
I am planning on doing this with the Executioners.

I am going to use a 315 drill, as I have had the most success
with this drill.  Here is my arsenal:

Charcoal Exe Box condition or 320 (Flood)
Purple Ice Box Condition          (heavy oil)
Charcoal Exe 6-800 Polish         (Heavy med )
Charcoal Exe 1000 Polish          (med)
Crimson Exe Box Condition         (dry)

For leagues I have been able to use the 1000 polish charcoal,
for most of the 3 games.  For me I could use that ball and the crimson
as a two ball arsenal for leagues, and take the rest along for tournaments.
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Re: Same Layout/Drilling on Same Line???
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2004, 01:01:07 PM »
I will add...

According to Marios secrets, you should plan your arsenal
around your favorite pin to pap distance, and I agree with
this.

Leverage is my favorite distance.  I have tried othe distances
but have had no luck.
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Re: Same Layout/Drilling on Same Line???
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2004, 02:45:44 PM »
Eric & Omega--Thanks for the input.

If, I do it I am going to replace my Granite and try a Slate Blue to start with same lay outs.  I have enough medium balls to get by for a bit.  

My fav is stacked leverage 75 deg. pin right or around ring.  Hard arc is my prefered backend motion.  These would do very well on house china.  For extremes I have other stuff that will work.  I am going back down to basics less is more kinda thing.

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Re: Same Layout/Drilling on Same Line???
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2004, 05:11:22 PM »
hey eric,

I'm real interested in the 315 layout. can you do a review or comparison of it maybe even a vid?
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Re: Same Layout/Drilling on Same Line???
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2004, 09:41:28 PM »
Ok here we go,
Will start with this:

http://www.rollrite.co.uk/secrets.php?id=11

This is a ref page of the 315 layout.  
Also, on the bottom of the page is a degree layout
with the reaction that each layout will give.

The two Charcoals that I have drilled are drilled:

315 looking pretty much like the sheet, but my pin is at a levreage
distance from my pap.

105 (label) with the pin in the same spot as the 315 ball, but the cg
is in the palm (dead center).

Reaction shapes are as such:

315:  Imagine a hockey stick skid snap, but the reaction is not as strong.
Instead of a "90" it is more like an arc.

Label leverage:  This ball gives a strong arc with continuous backend.
Basically a bananna shape.

I don't know oil specs for league, but lets call it a med oil shot.

The 105 exe had to be polished to about 800 to be able to do anything on
the lanes, and even then it was only for about the 1st game, maybe half
of the second.  I take this ball and play the 3rd arrow (18 board), standing
1-2 dots from the left.  This drill is strong.  On the charcoal, I would use it on a heavy oil, or only if you have high ball speed.  I would call this ball a swingshot layout.

The 315 is polished to about 1000.  This ball is a down and in, or inside
line ball.  I take the 315 and play the 2nd arrow (13 board +/- 3 boards) standing 2-3 dots from the left.  The ball is very forgiving in the heads basically going straight for about the first 35-45 feet.  The transition at the breakpoint is smooth but strong.  I would call this one a down and in ball.  Although as the lanes dry out, I cam move left and play this ball over the 18.  I can take this ball and bowl for 3 games in leagues, and only have to move at most 5 boards left.

Take a peek at this, and I'll answer any questions that I can.


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