Author Topic: Mixed Breed Pearl (Read 15243 times)

scotts33 · « **on:** January 02, 2012, 02:03:59 AM »

MBP is posted on the Visionary Website Nice color. Looking forward to hearing more.

Scott

ch_flash · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2012, 02:12:54 AM »

Thanks, Jason.

If you didn't like that strike, just watch this one!

scotts33 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2012, 07:20:49 AM »

We appreciate the effort you put into this Jason.

For those that have access to a DeTerminator that can find the PSA so you can know you drill angle and where to put an x hole on the gradient line it is going to make it much easier to know what kind of ball reaction you are going to see when using a z-spin ball.

Jason of balls that are in production now and recently that would be out there in the bowling world ie. Gladiators can you list the z-spin balls?

Thanks again!

Scott

VBPadvertising · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2012, 07:51:28 AM »

Hi Scott,

The Gladiators, Spartan, New Breeds and Mixed Breeds are all Z spin. Now, the Gladiators, Spartan and New Breeds are very mild Z spins, so you can essentially treat them as symmetrics .

Also, after reading my post, I needed to make a correction. One of the lines said as you migrate the PSA towards the Z axis, the PSA will follow. This should have read, as you migrate the weighthole towards the Z axis, the PSA will follow.

Jason

bigsexyhammer · « **Reply #19 on:** January 06, 2012, 09:45:30 AM »

That's easily the coolest thing that has ever been posted on this site... thank you sir.

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So if you have a 14lb Diesel or Vicious or Blade laying around shoot me a PM

VBPadvertising · « **Reply #20 on:** January 06, 2012, 01:25:35 PM »

Hello,

I just received a phone call about the earlier post, and I think there may have been a little confusion. Please note that the ball only wants to migrate to the PSA using the DeTerminator, not on the lanes! In this topic, I was discussing locating the MB and PSA on the ball, and how drilling affects the location. This has nothing to do with the migration path of the PAP on the lanes, as it will migrate completely different. Track and PAP migration follows a completely different path, and will be different for every ball (this is based on the RG at the PAP, and the total and intermediate differential relationship).

Jason Wonders

ch_flash · « **Reply #21 on:** January 07, 2012, 06:58:09 PM »

1/6/12

Hey guys,
Took the Mixed Breed to the shop, added grips, went 3" deep with the finger holes, and had better weights in the ball. Now I could add a hole to help with its reaction. Not having a DeTerminator, I decide to go with a 3/4"x 2-3/4" deep hole close to the P-3 location. It is 1-1/2" below my PAP and just inside/left of the VAL.
Rolled it and noticed a huge change in its reaction. I can now use this and will adjust the surface later as I see a need.

1/7/12
Stopped by the bowling center to roll the Mixed Breed again. Noticed the ball going a bit long. Took it to the pro shop and removed the polish and hit it with a 3000 abralon pad. Went and rolled a full game and got a consistent reaction with it. 278, eleven pocket shots with only one light hit leaving a 2-8. On the light hit, I had the speed up over 1 MPH too fast missing the breakpoint.
I am now a believer in the gradient line balance hole method. It help take a ball that finished like a top to one that hooks and rolls to the pocket.

The final wts. are...3/4oz. finger - 1/2oz. side - 2-1/4oz. bottom. Legal with some room for adjustments.

If you didn't like that strike, just watch this one!

http://visionarybowling.com/

Edited by ch_flash on 1/7/2012 at 7:59 PM

MC · « **Reply #22 on:** January 08, 2012, 08:23:07 PM »

Awesome post Jason. But I may have to read it again, and again for it to sink in.

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wkf0908 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 09, 2012, 12:24:49 AM »

Hi Jason,

I know that the pro shops didn't got such DeTerminator at our side. As I am planning to buy the Mixed Breed, so how to drill the ball correctly? Please advise.

p.s. Please note that I have drilled the New Breed Particle Pearl with the double thumb method and the ball just hook a little. I am now planning to re-drill it again and using the drill info from Hammer No Mercy; isn't it work?

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ch_flash · « **Reply #24 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:55:42 AM »

Hey wkf,

Our stats are close and I see the same out of my Particle Pearl. But I didn't do a double thumb drilling. Pin above and to the right of the ring finger, cg straight below. Keep us posted on the ball after you re drill it. Also the Mixed Breed.

Good luck.

wkf0908 wrote on 1/9/2012 1:24 AM:
Hi Jason,

I know that the pro shops didn't got such DeTerminator at our side. As I am planning to buy the Mixed Breed, so how to drill the ball correctly? Please advise.

p.s. Please note that I have drilled the New Breed Particle Pearl with the double thumb method and the ball just hook a little. I am now planning to re-drill it again and using the drill info from Hammer No Mercy; isn't it work?

BowlingChat.net

If you didn't like that strike, just watch this one!

http://visionarybowling.com/

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 09, 2012, 10:34:01 AM »

So I guess that explains why my Crossover lacks a little continuation on the backend. If I get around it the ball and add some axis rotation, it is better. But, my typical ball roll, the ball lacks a touch; not horribly.

So, Jason. Are you saying that the Mixed Breed would not work well for me given my high track even though you mentioned that higher rev rates would like it?

Peace doesnt always have to be silent.

VBPadvertising · « **Reply #26 on:** January 12, 2012, 10:33:57 AM »

Hi wkf,

There is no one right way for everyone to drill the balls, so if you can shoot me an email at vbpadvertising@aol.com, we can chat about your game, your bowling style, and what kind of lane conditions you are bowling on, and try to come up with a layout that will work best for you.

twohand,

The balls should work fine for you, we will just have to make sure we get the proper drilling for you. We have spoken in the past about your rev rate, tilt, and side rotation, but quite honestly I don't remember all the details. If you could shoot me an email at the email above, we can work on figuring out what layouts and pin and topweights would work best to fit your game.

Thanks,

Jason

wkf0908 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 13, 2012, 06:13:06 AM »

Hi Jason,

I just want to know how to locate the MB (Y axis) point, is it on the right side of the V mark? Or on the left side of the V mark, I am a little bit confuse about that, thanks.

wkf0908

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Monster Stitch · « **Reply #28 on:** January 20, 2012, 11:28:24 AM »

ch_flash & jason: From reading both of your explanations, this does sound like the same concept as the Hammer No Mercy. I just received the Mixed Breed Pearl and trying to figure out how to lay it out. Since this is my first one, i want to have that same layout effect with the pin over ring and actual PSA 2.5 right of thumb. So would i put the V two inches left of my thumb. From reading Jason's post, taking the prosect and puttting the "0" at the top of the pin and running the middle rib down towards the "V" then the two other ribs on each side that is 6-3/4 inches from the middle rib, will be the actual PSA, correct. Does that mean if i put the "V" left of my thumb two inches, does that mean the PSA will be actually four inches right of my thumb? Also, if i was to use Mo Pinel's gradient line process where you draw a line from your PAP to the MB, which MB point do i use? Is it the one that will be four inches right of my thumb? I know weight hole placements are very important in determining reaction which i have done when drilling my own equipment in the past but i just want to be sure where is the proper placement to put the "V" when determining layouts. Please let me know.

Edited by Monster Stitch on 1/20/2012 at 12:28 PM

ch_flash · « **Reply #29 on:** January 20, 2012, 01:35:28 PM »

Scott will say spin it on a DeTerminator first. I would agree. But Jason is the man you should ask.

As far as I know, the mass bias is 6-3/4" left and right of the V at 90* of the pin to 'V' line.

In most of the pics I've seen, The 'V' is closer to 4" right of the thumb holes, putting the cg's right also. On my ball, the V is 2" right of the thumb. That, along with a short pin and low top wt, made this ball not roll like I had wanted. But we got it right with a balance hole in the P-3 location. Matt in Ohio spun his on the DeTerminator and found the PSA left of his thumb hole. He added a P-3 hole and the PSA moved to the right of the thumb. His also rolls much better now.

Please lets us know how yours is.

As for the gradient line. You go from your thumb hole to the PAP, then up the VAL.

If you didn't like that strike, just watch this one!

http://visionarybowling.com/

Edited by ch_flash on 1/20/2012 at 3:07 PM

Monster Stitch · « **Reply #30 on:** January 20, 2012, 01:57:19 PM »

ch_flash: I've been e-mailing with Jason this morning and still going. Having the "V" two inches will put the PSA 4-3/4 right of thumb and then 2.5 right of thumb after drilling. The tricky part i realized after what Jason mentioned is that since the pin, cg and mb are all inline, this would put the CG in the middle of my span and force the pin more right then i wanted to. I want the pin above my fingers instead of right of my fingers. I am trying to ask Jason for an alternative layout to get it where i wanted. How did you guys decide on the P3 weight hole. Did you draw a line from your PAP to the PSA? My proshop does not have a determinator machine.