Author Topic: More Ogre (solid) adventures (Read 2473 times)

charlest · « **on:** October 10, 2007, 02:02:44 PM »

History to dat:
Late last spring I kind of became ... disenchanted with my solid. The 600 grit cover was too strong for what I face and right away I tried 2000 grit. Can't remember but I didn't like it the one time I threw it. So I went to old reliable: 1000 grit sanded, then apply Track's Clean and Sheen which removes 400-800 grit sanding lines and puts a light shine (often called a compound polish) on the ball.

I started with this and was surprised at the relatively mild and controlled backend. It hit fine, normal Visionary: better than average, no problem, but recovery was smaller than I expected. Since the drill was a strong one for me, 4 x 3.5 (pin next to ring finger), I expected more overall hook and backend. OK, it worked well when I could use. Mostly medium oil, but nothing too long. This also surprised (and slightly annoyed) me.

I don't mind small backend balls; I like a sense control, but this was small even by my standards.

I kind of stopped using it.

Last week I ran a little experiment, sanding a different control ball to 4000 grit and using Track's Delayed Reaction (length adder, backend reducer). Iliked the reaction on that ball; so I figured I try it on another control balls: the Ogre pumpkin. So, while sanding it, I thought: the Ogre's backend is already small enough; let's leave out the Delayed Reaction. So I had a 4000 grit Ogre.

Lanes: Brunswick AnvilLanes
Oil: medium, with extra oil at and inside 9/10, house blend from 8 out to the gutter.

The Ogre nows has a BACKEND. I like it; however, it is NOT what I expected with a 4000 grit finish. I don't know what I expected. It is now less of a control ball, but still very controllable.

Even when you think you know, are familair with certain concepts, they remain "concepts" until you put them into practice.

Think I'll try a Rico drilling next; last time I tried it was in 1998 or 9 and it wasn't called a "Rico" then. I like some surprises.
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mab · « **Reply #16 on:** October 18, 2007, 08:59:22 AM »

scotts: Sure do, 2 of them and an SS love them all, would just like to get a handle on the Solid. The pearls are the best pearls I've ever thrown and you are right about pulling out the SS when the lanes deteriorate and tossing it in the dirt after everyone has used the track up. It works like a charm I've gotten away with that tatic since I've had it in the bag.

charlest: I will indeed endeavor to persevere with the O.S. till I get it just right
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scotts33 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 22, 2007, 09:25:36 AM »

FYI...after struggling with my Solid on a blended medium-heavy condition this weekend in a tourney then switching to my FMG and killing them on a slightly deeper line I've decided that the Solid is only good for me on a wet/dry wall where I want to be slihgtly inside of the wall bending it to the dry with fresh backends.

I'll use the Solid at 2000 abralon very well on this condition otherwise it stays in the bag or at home.

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Badger856 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 22, 2007, 01:07:34 PM »

I've been killing the shot with the solid at 1000 abralon. I've gone over this with Scott a few times and after reading these posts I'm convinced the solid is more a ball for those high speed players. I throw roughly around 18-19 mph and put a decent amount of hand in it and the ball is just smooth, and very contollable. I know there are other varialbes in this but it just seems that the ball might be best suited for high speed players.

MC · « **Reply #19 on:** October 22, 2007, 02:46:39 PM »

If I was going to adjust the Ogre down in surface say from 2000 polished to 1000. Should I take it down to 500 first and bring it back up to 1000 or does it matter? I am looking at adjusting my Dad's. He has slower ball speed and with it polished is just not getting the turn at the break point he needs. Thanks!
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scotts33 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 22, 2007, 03:45:06 PM »

Just an additional FYI about the OS from BTM's blurb in the July 2007 Mini Ballreviews "Strengths: Very few balls in this price point offer as much overall hook potential as the Ogre does. The low flare potential is also a plus on wet/dry patterns." <---that's what I am also basically saying. Great on a house wall but not so good on a blended medium-heavy to heavy condition where you need more flare/motor to come off the spot.

I do agree with Darin's statement about ball speed/playing straighter.

Androo stated earlier in this thread about not being able to bring it back and he's high rev and high speed.

For Jeff and me it's kind of tweener hell....so YMMV on the OS.
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charlest · « **Reply #21 on:** October 22, 2007, 06:31:53 PM »

quote:
... Androo stated earlier in this thread about not being able to bring it back and he's high rev and high speed.

For Jeff and me it's kind of tweener hell....so YMMV on the OS.
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I posted what happened to me last Thursday, 10/18, when I tried the OS at 4000 grit, but it is not here; so I either dreamt posting or I hit "close window" before I hit "post reply". Here's a synopsis:

The house shot, a wet/dry with breakpoint closer to 5/6 board than to the usual 7/8 board, required everyone to get the ball out to 5 board ALL THE TIME in order to carry. I missed the pocket about 4 times (2/8, 2/4/5, washout and split) in 30 frames, missed one 10 pins, left a ton of 10 pins, 4 pins and 7 pins. Carry was not good. I even had some flush pocket hits that even I would have sworn on a stack of bibles would have carried. I know when I'm going to leave a weak or even a ringing 10 pin; I can almost always see it.

FYI I didn't pull very many inside my target; a few, yes. Mostly I hit 5 or 6 board at breakpoint (standing around 25) with my normal release.

Shot 601 with 3 open frames, which means a LOT of non-doubles or non-triples. While I suspect, that a 2000 grit finish may give me what I need on this pattern, I will be trying other balls, with more flare on this pattern. I've lost 3 weeks so far; not willing to sacrifice any more, at this point in time.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 22, 2007, 11:15:25 PM »

I don't buy it tonx...why the OS was designed it meant use in a heavier sheen/matte finish. If you were going to polish it why wouldn't you use another Visionary ball? ie. Pearl Ogre, SS, G-3,...yadda yadda.

It still comes down to low differential low flare just like BTM said in their reviews.

Wet/dry medium heavy this ball rules...otherwise you are using it as it was not designed. JMO....other balls out there that will do just as well if not better.

My example would be for posts that I see from time to time.........my Granite Gargoyle hooks to much it's rough and I can't get it to the 1-3...........sheesh it's not designed for that kind of lane condition.....get a Violet or some other shiny cover..why ruin a heavy particle by polishing it? One ball users maybe but what's the point?

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scotts33 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2007, 05:01:39 AM »

I understand clearly tonx. I could not use the OS at OOB either and doubt many can. My meaning was any abralon finish from 1000 to 2000. Tuning the OS makes sense.

Either way the OS is a great ball.
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AdrianS · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2007, 07:16:46 AM »

I'll probably be doing a variation of this surface tuning when i get mine. I seem to have success putting the gloss polish on then hazing the surface with the wet(and a bit worn) green pad. Hopefully it shows up tomorrow and should be on the lanes next monday.
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charlest · « **Reply #25 on:** October 23, 2007, 07:42:47 PM »

absolutebowling (Tonx) and Scott,

I understand that a rough sanding (400 or 600 grit) plus a non-abrasive polish is the only type of finish I haven't yet tried. I suspect that such a finish needs your (Tonx) type of revs and ball speed. I believe Scott is right that different surfaces are th ekey for using the OS successfully and it is mean tto control wet/drys.

On my pattern, that finish (dull + non-abrasive polish) might still be too flippy for my lower ball speed to control on our oil pattern. That plus the fact that I don't want to waste team points experimenting (I don't get the look we see in league during practice sessions). Our 2 other main team members are also having some problems carrying, with different balls.

We get an odd combination of carrydown range/area and fairly dry outsides (outside of 5 board) that make a target area hard to find. I have some ideas, but right now, I'm not going to experiment with the OS anymore at this point in time.
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