Author Topic: Need advice on drilling a B/G Centaur (Read 1371 times)

witesoxwoz22 · « **on:** December 24, 2007, 04:42:53 PM »

I just got B/G as a Christmas gift and I want to make sure I drill it right. I recently got a G-3 drilled with the pin up and I cannot control it at all. I am a low track, almost spinner with low-med revs, slower ball speed of 14-15 mph, and a track cir. of 9". I also like to play the outside up 10. My pap was measured at 4" and up .5". I know the MB should be near the thumb, but what kind of pin distance should I have? I'd like to use this ball on fried lanes/ Sunday morning shot with a controllable reaction. Also, what cover alterations should I make if any? Any advice would be appreciated on a recommended drilling for my B/G or even what I can do to tame my G-3. Thanks
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- woz

Edited on 12/25/2007 1:55 AM

Lillen · « **Reply #1 on:** December 25, 2007, 11:38:28 AM »

This the answer I got when I emailed VBP:

Basically, if you draw approximately a 3 1/4" diameter circle (use a compass if you have one handy otherwise us a cup or lid or something close to 3 1/4") centered around the Big pin and a circle around the little pin. This gives reference to where the caps are below the surface. Try to keep the fingers OUT of the circle as much as possible and keep the thumb IN the circle as much as possible. You can drill the little pin in the center of your thumb and remove it completely if you want. This will keep the top cap intact and remove more of the side cap resulting in a normal track for an assymetrical ball.

witesoxwoz22 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 25, 2007, 12:21:38 PM »

quote:
This the answer I got when I emailed VBP:

Basically, if you draw approximately a 3 1/4" diameter circle (use a compass if you have one handy otherwise us a cup or lid or something close to 3 1/4") centered around the Big pin and a circle around the little pin. This gives reference to where the caps are below the surface. Try to keep the fingers OUT of the circle as much as possible and keep the thumb IN the circle as much as possible. You can drill the little pin in the center of your thumb and remove it completely if you want. This will keep the top cap intact and remove more of the side cap resulting in a normal track for an assymetrical ball.

Would that eliminate the option of putting the pin under the fingers, or with its minimal flare potential would I not have to worry about that? I do not want the ball to be too strong for the conditions I want to use it for. I'd prefer to play up the boards.
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- woz

Edited on 12/25/2007 2:01 PM

Lillen · « **Reply #3 on:** December 25, 2007, 01:56:35 PM »

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/Nellil/Green_Blue_Centaur_01.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/Nellil/Green_Blue_Centaur_02.jpg

Here's some pics of my G/B Centaur and it's definitly not strong..

I like to play up the boards too..

Edited on 12/25/2007 2:57 PM

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** December 25, 2007, 04:26:42 PM »

quote:
quote:
This the answer I got when I emailed VBP:

Basically, if you draw approximately a 3 1/4" diameter circle (use a compass if you have one handy otherwise us a cup or lid or something close to 3 1/4") centered around the Big pin and a circle around the little pin. This gives reference to where the caps are below the surface. Try to keep the fingers OUT of the circle as much as possible and keep the thumb IN the circle as much as possible. You can drill the little pin in the center of your thumb and remove it completely if you want. This will keep the top cap intact and remove more of the side cap resulting in a normal track for an assymetrical ball.

Would that eliminate the option of putting the pin under the fingers, or with its minimal flare potential would I not have to worry about that? I do not want the ball to be too strong for the conditions I want to use it for. I'd prefer to play up the boards.
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- woz

Edited on 12/25/2007 2:01 PM

To be honest, NO, it would not. I have two: one drilled pin next to ring finger and one drilled pin under ring finger. Both are fine and have wonderful reactions. As Lillen posted below, pin under on the side or above the ring finger, (for the average PAP) is just fine. Remember this ball already has very high RG (over 2.6) and has such a tiny Rg differential that moving the pin makes little difference.

The biggest difference is in surface preparation. THE BIGGEST! Stock is 1000 grit which is pretty strong. I use mine in two basic ways: 2000 grit matte/dull and 1000 grit + polish. The polished one needs even less oil than the 2000 grit one. The polished one is one of the lightest oil handling resin balls made over the past 5 years or so.
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witesoxwoz22 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 25, 2007, 05:18:43 PM »

quote:
quote:
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This the answer I got when I emailed VBP:

Basically, if you draw approximately a 3 1/4" diameter circle (use a compass if you have one handy otherwise us a cup or lid or something close to 3 1/4") centered around the Big pin and a circle around the little pin. This gives reference to where the caps are below the surface. Try to keep the fingers OUT of the circle as much as possible and keep the thumb IN the circle as much as possible. You can drill the little pin in the center of your thumb and remove it completely if you want. This will keep the top cap intact and remove more of the side cap resulting in a normal track for an assymetrical ball.

Would that eliminate the option of putting the pin under the fingers, or with its minimal flare potential would I not have to worry about that? I do not want the ball to be too strong for the conditions I want to use it for. I'd prefer to play up the boards.
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- woz

Edited on 12/25/2007 2:01 PM

To be honest, NO, it would not. I have two: one drilled pin next to ring finger and one drilled pin under ring finger. Both are fine and have wonderful reactions. As Lillen posted below, pin under on the side or above the ring finger, (for the average PAP) is just fine. Remember this ball already has very high RG (over 2.6) and has such a tiny Rg differential that moving the pin makes little difference.

The biggest difference is in surface preparation. THE BIGGEST! Stock is 1000 grit which is pretty strong. I use mine in two basic ways: 2000 grit matte/dull and 1000 grit + polish. The polished one needs even less oil than the 2000 grit one. The polished one is one of the lightest oil handling resin balls made over the past 5 years or so.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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Given this information would a pin down below the bridge be good? The only reason I do not want a pin over the fingers is that I have trouble controlling the reaction with that pin position. Also, I have a lower pap than the typical person. Thanks
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- woz

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** December 25, 2007, 05:39:17 PM »

woz,

Mine with that pin is VERY good. As I said, your major concern is or should be getting the right surface for your release, ball speed and the oil you're on.

I'd suggest a 3.5" - 4" pin to PAP, no matter where that puts the pin. Givne your low track, I'd also suggest putting the CG closer to your PAP tna the pin. Maybe 2.5" - 3" CG to PAP.
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witesoxwoz22 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 25, 2007, 09:08:12 PM »

Thanks charlest and lillen for the advice. I'll go with the pin under the ring and kick out the cg just a tad. One more question, what could I do about my G-3. I have the pin above the ring and it is too condition specific. What could I do to tame the reaction down. Could I do some surface changes or would I have to replug? Thanks again for the help. I appreciate it.
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- woz

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 25, 2007, 09:52:36 PM »

To make the G-3 more controllable, sand the ball with a fresh 2000 abralon pad and do not use any polish. Anytime you take a ball and put the pin above the fingers from someone with such a low track, the ball conserves so much energy that it makes the backend uncontrollable. I always recommend putting the pins down to help get the ball to transition faster and thus making the backend more "rolly" than flippy. As far as the B/G Centaur, put the pin under the bridge or even under the middle finger with the cg at or near the center of grip. That will give the ball some length while still making the backend controllable. Since your ball speed seems to match your rev rate, putting the pins between 4 1/2 and 5 1/2 with the pins down will help you on most lane conditions.
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Former Pro Shop Operator

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Edited on 12/25/2007 10:53 PM

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