I have a New Breed solid that is drilled with the pin above the bridge and cg just right of grip center. I put it on a DeTerminator and was thinking the mb would be around the thumb hole, wrong. I spun it several times and it's on the opposite side of the thumb hole on the other side of the ball. I shifted it to spin it on the left side, with pin left of the center of DeTerminator and it spun up just left of thumb hole. Is this core a z spin core? Thanks, Bruce

Thanks for the reply MI 2 AZ! I thought I remember somebody saying that! That explains why I haven't gotten the reaction I was thinking I would.

I was really shocked to see how a New Breed spun up on the DeTerminator and it explains a lot of why I had trouble with all the New Breeds I drilled!

I was really shocked to see how a New Breed spun up on the DeTerminator and it explains a lot of why I had trouble with all the New Breeds I drilled!

My same experience and the main reason I stopped using VBP. 

My driller has a DeTerminator and I believe I have had pics on these threads of where the PSA was on some of my VBP balls.

If, I remember correctly Jason W. had told me in an e-mail that VBP will not produce anymore z-spinners. 

Hey Scott,
I was thinking it was you that posted about the Z spin cores! It makes sense with the way the ball spins up!

Correct Bruce.  Performance for me was poor and I didn't understand why (until the z-spinner issue was explained) as the older VBP balls were great for me.  In fact, I still use my old B/G Centaur as a low volume light oil ball on house shots to this day.

In a nutshell, if your using the DA method.

Use the " V " just as you would a normal MB mark

use longer pin to paps 5 - 5 1/2
use drill angles of 0 - 30.
use Val Angles of 50-70ish

Here is my Crossover using Jason's Strong layout ( the top of the weight hole is on my pap)
which roughly would be 20 x 5 1/2 x 55/60  (just guessing.)