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Ogre Particle.
« on: June 26, 2008, 07:27:42 PM »
Replacing the AMB Particle.  Gray and dark gray.

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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2008, 05:03:55 PM »
This is great news!!! I love my Ogre Pearl and was planning on picking up the SS before fall leagues.  Now I'll have to get this too!!!  I can't wait!!!
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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2008, 05:17:53 PM »
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2) Why have 2 high-load particles in your current line-up?


  Which two do you speak of?  The Granite is gone, and so is the AMB particle ( I think).

  If I remember correctly, even though they are "grandfathered" in, the USBC requested that visionary discontinue production of balls outside of the now legal range and, as a result of this, visionary has discontinued production of the AMB balls because their differential is too high.  That includes the Centaurs ( except the green/blue) AND the Immortals.


 I think I would've rather seen a particle cover on the G-3/Frankie May weightblock.  More differential for when you actually NEED a heavy load particle to cut through.
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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2008, 06:26:59 PM »
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This is just complete speculation, but I would have to assume by the description of it's reaction, that it's a lower-load ball for 2 reasons:

1) I wouldn't figure that a higher load particle solid would have ANY sort of good shot on a THS (unless a very heavy THS), and

2) Why have 2 high-load particles in your current line-up?


They've had two high-load particle balls in the line-up for quite a while now, the Granite and the AMB Particle, so it's not a big deal to have two.

Why you'd need or want a high-load particle solid for a THS, I can certainly answer.  I'm speed-dominant, so the extra-strong cover helps get the ball to react.  Further, just because it's a high-load particle ball that comes OOB at 320-grit doesn't mean it has to stay that way.  My Yeah Baby is a high-load particle ball, drilled strong, even, and at 1000-grit plus polish, it's a great THS ball.  Absolutely ignores carrydown, which can be a problem here.

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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2008, 08:01:21 PM »
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Any rumors about a Urethane Ogre?


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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2008, 08:31:18 PM »
I think it will be good with a lower diff, I bowled the US Open pattern for the past 2 weeks. I tried the AMB centaur at box, then at 600. It was the only ball I saw that hooked, and it still rolled out. I bumped it up to 2000 abr but who knows when Ill get to use it again. I think the monster cover with the weaker core would be sweet.
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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2008, 08:48:00 PM »
gonna be interesting with the Ogre Particle, I might change my mind now and go for it. I was looking at LaneMasters new release Dynamic Power which is a Solid Particle, not anymore.
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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2008, 06:47:39 AM »
I think that the Particle Ogre will be a good addition, and the lower differential actually saves energy for the back end - so you can drill ikt strong, and it should show a continuous move.
There have already been similar concepts (e. g. Hammer's Big Blue, low RG and low diff., Navy Sparkle Fuze with high RG and diff.), and IMHO it should have at least a medium particle load (and/or some bigger particle to create a good grip), and you have a true versatile piece that you can tune with surface tweaks for different uses. But I admit that a lower RG/high diff. ball like the AMB Particle would be a useful "true" heavy oil addition, too, e. g. the same cover and with the (legal) Gryphon core.
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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2008, 08:27:32 AM »
Like I said...only speculating.

I will say this though, I keep forgetting that the Centaurs (minus the B/G) have the "illegal" weight block, as I always just think of the Immortals when thinking about the grandfathered rule (since they were the 2 they squeezed in).

As for the Granite and AMB in the lineup together for a long time....I didn't think that the AMB Particle was out for too long before the Granite was discontinued...

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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2008, 10:21:47 AM »
Well sounds like the particle is a sure thing, but has anyone heard of any other new stuff from visionary in the next few months?  I would LOVE to see a urethane, and also a pearl with a low particle load, but that's just me.  I really don't see enough oil to use heavy old balls.
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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2008, 01:33:21 PM »
I know this is the visionary section, but does anyone here remember the thunderfalsh urethane? That ball from what people have said flares like 6 inches, but yet is very smooth and controlable, so visionary coming out with an orge urethane would be awesome!!
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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2008, 02:10:50 PM »
Yes I remember the thunderflash, I had the thunderflash pro and that was my very favorite ball I have ever owned.  I got a good 5-6 inches flair out of it.  I found one on ebay not too long ago but it had a very short pin and so when i had it plugged and redrilled I didn't care for it much.  That is why I would love to see an Ogre or even a AMB urethane.
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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2008, 02:24:19 AM »
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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2008, 06:16:05 PM »
Looks like the particle is a done deal.  Check out buddiesproshop.com.

http://www.buddiesproshop.com/product/6183/Visionary_Gray_Ogre_Bowling_Ball.htm
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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2008, 08:17:24 PM »
Anybody know when this thing is going to be released
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Re: Ogre Particle.
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2008, 12:13:59 AM »
Jason will probably be on here sometime in the next week or so to pass on the information on the release date.


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