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Krumpy300

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Ogre Particle
« on: March 16, 2009, 05:30:29 AM »
Has anyone drilled one??? I just picked one up for a wet/dry mess and for a PBA Summer league. Liked what I saw on video of it.

Any and all info is appreciated

Thanks.

 

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 01:32:14 PM »
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scotts33

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 01:39:40 PM »
Yep...I have one drilled pretty strong.  4" pin to PAP pin next to ring CG stacked over X hole on gradient line P2.  Took OOB cover and added some Legends polish over.  It evens out a wet/dry wall pretty good as long as you can move thru some head oil in the puddle.  Works well in first game or game and half before the track fluffers burn off the head in the track area....ina 5 man league on 1st Gen. Bruns. Anvilane.  I either move outside of that area with a 4000ab B/G Centaur pin over bridge amp up my speed a lil or stay right about there with an SS Ogre....generally go around carry down if it's present and stay firm.  

BTW....with it's low amount of flare even drilled strong with my tweener stats....I don't find the Ogre Particle to have as much strength even with the same cover as the Granite.  The Granite for me is much stronger.
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Krumpy300

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2009, 01:57:59 PM »
Thank you Scott. I guess they didn't quite duplicate the formula on the Particle as compared to the Granite

I should have mine drilled, (5X5 pin over ring) this week and I will post my findings. My Thursday league can get nasty after about 18 frames (5 man team), and moving right is not an option.

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2009, 02:38:59 PM »
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I guess they didn't quite duplicate the formula on the Particle as compared to the Granite  


I think it's the difference in the motor/core and differential ability to flare and not the cover.  The cover is the same.

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 02:53:56 PM »
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I guess they didn't quite duplicate the formula on the Particle as compared to the Granite  


I think it's the difference in the motor/core and differential ability to flare and not the cover.  The cover is the same.

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Point taken. I had a long discussion this week with a Rep who's opinion I respect and cover materials and core strength came up. I was surprised by some of his answers. I respect your answer.

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 05:52:34 PM »
I wonder how the Ogre Particle would compare to a MoRich Weapon of Mass Bias, or even an old Storm Thunderflash (even though the latter is urethane)?
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scotts33

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2009, 07:27:20 AM »
Strider and Krumpy300,

I maybe on the minority on this but at least from what I see and my technique/rev rate, etc.  Higher flaring balls give me the majority of the time slightly more miss room to the outside.  A strongly laid out Cell for me would be a good example gives me more miss wityhou the over reaction some would see with an angular break point like a Virtual Gravity and go thru the face.  This would be on heavier oil of course.  Cell is high flaring but smoother off break point.  

The Visionary ball that most could compare to a Cell for track flare and ball motion would be an FMG.

Sooooo an Ogre Particle even with a high friction cover and going away from the pocket on a more even lane condition would not recover if missed outside than an FMG or a Cell. Just because it doesn't have the differential/core/motor and flare ability of the other two balls.

Now take that Ogre Particle put a lil polish on it and it's great for evening out wet/dry house walls. If figure you just have to lay it out for your stats.  The same could be a said for a Ogre Solid which was great on a house wall for me with appropriate surface.  I didn't like either Ogre on even flatter lane conditions unless I was going at the pocket rather than away from it.

Hope I make sense.  
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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2009, 08:16:30 AM »
Totally makes sense Scott and your breakdown helps a lot. I currently bowl on a heavy wet/dry mess. Ten board in is pretty flooded, ten to five board hooks pretty good and is only playable early. After the first 18 frames or so, you can attempt to bounce off it, but you better be spot on to do it. Lots of guys throw urethane up ten to even out the reaction.

I won't be trying to cover a lot of boards with it. More of a slight swing from 14-10 hoping it doesn't jump off the dry if I miss right.


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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2009, 10:41:06 PM »
Had a good look tonight with mine. A very consistent 709.

Same overall motion as my old Blue Green Centaur but A LOT more hook

Was able to move deep into the soup my last game with a slight swing when everyone else was fighting the blown out track. Ball rolled better after the inital fresh 1000 surface got some oil in it.

Good impressions so far, look forward to throwing it again next week.

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Re: Ogre Particle
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2009, 10:49:14 PM »
Good to hear Krumpy...I did the opposite last night used Ogre Pearl with quite a few ringing 10's and after the track was worked in since I threw plastic in practice and 1st half of 1st game....I went to the the Ogre Pearl and ball went to long so I move feet right in blown up track and used B/G in a fluff mode release off the side and got great results.  

I must have helped one team mate as he threw a 300 in last game up the track.  ")
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