Author Topic: Ogre Pearl Cover Changes (Read 1888 times)

scotts33 · « **on:** January 14, 2008, 09:24:17 PM »

Like a slightly eariler read and better on a bit of carry down on older wood.

Who's done any cover change to their Ogre Pearl? OOB to what? Difference in lane read? Scuff then slight polish over?

Thinking 4000 abralon with a lot of water. What say you?
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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2008, 08:46:30 AM »

I have not done that, but it's the standard evening out procedure for 1500 grit polished pearls. I think TWOHANDS has done this on a Violet (I know it's a solid).

4000 grit will handle a tiny bit more carrydown but not a lot more. Done that a bunch of times recently; just not on an Ogre pearl. (did it on the Ogre solid, as you know. Not like that helps a lot.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2008, 08:54:45 AM »

Thanks Jeff. Used my Solid O last night at 1000 ab had a good read/arc in the track...wanted to go to my Pearl O but got to much length and left 10 pins. Needed a pin down <have a pin down Radar didn't have along> or my Pearl O bit more surface. Went to sheen Sting in 3rd game moved left 5 boards and had a good read and game.

Steve got any advice....other than give up the game?

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I_Bowl4Money · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2008, 09:04:05 AM »

Scotts,

Couple questions:

1) What is your PAP?

2) What is the layout on your Solid Ogre?

3) What is the layout on your Pearl Ogre?
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scotts33 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2008, 09:18:34 AM »

PAP 4 7/8" over and 0

Solid pin to PAP 4" pin next to ring 60 deg layout X hole 1" below on VAL

Pearl pin to PAP 4.25" maybe a lil more.....pin above ring about 1/2" lil right 80 deg layout no X hole

Pearl is good when I need a lil more length but now that most houses in my area have started putting down more oil this time of year ball is going a bit long and leaving ringing 10's. Probably should have a pin down or bit more surface on a pearl when track starts going. Just my thinking.
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getuaload · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2008, 10:36:14 AM »

I changed mine to 800 grit then polish. I really like it better this way.
It was going a bit too long before it turned over and i was leaving alot of corner pins. with more surface on it i still get good length but it turns over a few feet sooner and carrys corner pins better.

I think i am gonna try that with my SS but i am gonna try 1000 the n polish.
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I_Bowl4Money · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2008, 11:41:09 AM »

getuaload(nice name

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You definitely touched on some interesting points. Not all the time do the manufacturers tell you what the wetsanded surface is of the pearl before it is polished.

Knowing the grit underneath the polish finish does help as I've seen various differences with a low grit surface that is polished versus a high grit surface that is polished.

I would do two things here:

1) Use either a Grey Scotch Brite or 1000 grit wetsandpaper and throw the ball on the condition once the transition forces you to switch away from your solid

2) If the surface of the Grey or 1000 makes it read the lane too soon, then I would use Storm #2 or #3 finishing compound (or equivalent) with mild pressure.

Give those progressions a try and one of those should give you the reaction you desire.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2008, 11:49:16 AM »

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2) If the surface of the Grey or 1000 makes it read the lane too soon, then I would use Storm #2

I'll probably try this for tonite on older wood. Storm Step #2 with very light pressure as too much pressure will make it too shiny and smooth. I believe 1000 grit option #1 will make it too much like a DT Solid Black Vendetta I have for ball motion and arc.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2008, 05:44:44 AM »

Thought...I'd post results. Took the OP to a Storm Step #2 light pressure so I'd guess a smooth 1500 but definietly not as shiny as OOB.

Last nights results.....mixed. Great when I could hit my line not as much room as OOB surface. Because I was slightly left of where I could play straighter before and now inside of that line. OP is probably not the ball for this condition at least for me. Switched to SS moved right and played straighter with much better results.

After bowling league took out a Blast Zone moved left back to same line as I was playing with OP one more board left on approach and lane and had more room with BZ than OP.
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2008, 10:39:05 AM »

scotts,

Sorry it took me so long. What I have seen with my own experience, is that if I use the abralons and no polish, I tend to get better results than the OOB finish. Maybe it is because of my rev rate and maybe it isnt. Due to the fact that the VBP stuff takes to changes really well, I would recommend taking the polish off and experimenting with going to 1000, then 2000, then 4000. The only ball I have polish on is the Mean Green and I still took that to 4000. My SS has 4000, no polish. The Violet has 4000, no polish. The Mean Green is 4000, with polish. This makes the Violet earlier and smooth in the transition. The SS goes longer but still more of a hard arc motion. Then, for more of a true skid/flip, the Green is another foot or two and a more defined kick on the backend. I would definitely recommend taking the Pearl Ogre and going up with no polish. So far, with my cover adjustments on the THS, I have not had problems with too much carrydown that the balls don't hook. Hope this helps and let us know how things are going.
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I_Bowl4Money · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2008, 01:14:42 PM »

Scotts,

What type of reaction were you getting once you had to move left? What is the layout on your Blast Zone? What is the layout of your SS Ogre?

From reading your results, I'm going to guess that you were:

- getting to the pocket when you missed right, but the ball read the lane too soon to hit with enough power?

- when you got it in you were not getting enough finish to carry, still?

If you are getting this type of reaction, then I would recommend either trying the suggestions by twohands, use a 600 or 800 wetsand with Storm #3, or try moving more left, surface as is...3 or 4 more boards with your feet and slow down your ball speed.

If i'm completely wrong about the reaction you're getting, please let me know what is happening from your experience with 1000/storm#2.....I believe your change to the SS was good, but it might be that the cg is not kicked strong enough right for the shot you're trying to play, you might be better off with a 65 or 45 degree layout to get you a little further left but allow the ball to pickup quicker in the oil.

Hope this helps.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2008, 07:17:23 AM »

Follow up on OP. Took it to 4000 abralon quite a bit of water and moderate pressure. Smooth appearance not as much shine/polish as OOB.

Used it last 2 games on a bit easier lane condition more room to the outside on Bruns. Anvilane 1st Generation panels about 12 years old. Not usre on lane conditioner used but it carries down dramatically.

Used a Hei$t 1st game 105 layout pin next to ring backends moving......swish 7-10 1st ball in the 10th. Switched to OP 2nd game during and after transition and opened up the lane well and carry was excellent.

Lane condition and lane surface differences between the two houses probably made more than the ball surface change. But, ya gotta try some different stuff.
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charlest · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:23:09 PM »

Just a thought, especially after our dry lanes tonight:
The Ogre SS and the Green Meanie (Green Gargoyle) are major candidates for the Rico Drill!!

I just tried it tonight on the Zone Classic and I believe it would be amazing on either of these two balls.

If you guys back me into a corner I may have to put it on my GG, but I'd rather not do that right now.
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