Post by: txbowler on January 25, 2010, 04:22:44 AM
I am considering getting this ball. But I read some reviews and they say the ball doesn't hook much. I read other reviews, and they talk about how strong the ball is for a mid price.
I've viewed the buddies video where the tester seems further right on the lanes so I tend to lean with the slightly weaker talk, but in the video the ball is highly polished.
Any help?
Post by: Oskuposer on January 25, 2010, 12:31:52 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on January 25, 2010, 01:10:52 PM
For me, I find it a rolly pearl and a good benchmark ball for a pearl.
This how I rate balls that I use on a continual/rotational basis.
Weakest to strongest that I use on most conditions other than heavier oil. 5 balls that I use and can step from one to another without having to think much about it.
Ogre Urethane 4000 abralon spares and light oil
Green/Blue Centaur 4000 abralon light - medium
Ogre Pearl 1500 polished medium
AMB Bronze Centaur 1500 polished but slightly hazed medium with some carry down
Gladiator Solid 2000 abralon medium - heavy
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Post by: txbowler on January 25, 2010, 01:20:25 PM
I have a lot of hand (I have been told) and a slower ball speed, around 15 on the end of lane speed readers I have bowled on.
My house uses light oil but some of the tournaments I've hit lately seems to have heavier THS shots and my lane masters Hornet is finishing too late to carry consistently, but if I switch to my Avalanche solid, it will roll up too early.
I'm am looking for something in between the 2.
Post by: bltbyj on January 25, 2010, 02:24:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMKIZor33w
Post by: SVstar34 on January 25, 2010, 02:42:03 PM
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Post by: txbowler on January 25, 2010, 02:53:11 PM
Post by: charlest on January 25, 2010, 03:13:27 PM
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Ogre Pearl should be stronger than your Avalanche Solid
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Ironic, as I would have said it is of similar strength, with slightly more bakcend. Both are benchmarks handling medium oil.
I made the mistake of putting the pin under on my OP and it had very little backend. If I were to get another, I'd put the pin over the ring finger and stack the CG below it. The ball is very even reacting and very much a control ball for true medium oil. The higher pin would add a little more backend.
My Avalanche Pearl (Green/Black, PK 18 pearl), with the pin under the center of the bridge (5x4 drilling), had slightly more length and more backend overall than my OP. My AP covers medium-light to medium oil.
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Post by: txbowler on January 25, 2010, 03:27:40 PM
Looks like the ball might be the answer if I select the right drill.
Appreciate the information.
Post by: scotts33 on January 25, 2010, 05:17:08 PM
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I made the mistake of putting the pin under on my OP and it had very little backend. If I were to get another, I'd put the pin over the ring finger and stack the CG below it. The ball is very even reacting and very much a control ball for true medium oil. The higher pin would add a little more backend.
I would agree with that and this is a pic of mine. Note pin above ring...if to do again I'd probably shift the CG out a lil further. Gets decent length and arcs hard to 1-3. I am NOT speed dominant. More rev dominant 17 in heads.
http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/scotts33/?action=view¤t=VisOgrePearl.jpg
BTW.....on tougher shots where I have to play straight I take my G/B and play down and in not giving away pocket then move to OP after I have opened up the lane a bit and there is a bit of hold build up.
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Post by: six pack on January 25, 2010, 05:43:56 PM
surface on my Ogre's are
O.P.- 4000 A and High polish then lightly scuffed with a very worn 4000 A
O.SS - 4000 A and High Polish
I'm looking forward to trying out my new O.U.
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Post by: scotts33 on January 25, 2010, 05:45:12 PM
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high revs 30* axis rotation up the boards.
pap 5x0
6 pack what's your rev rate?
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Post by: six pack on January 25, 2010, 05:56:40 PM
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high revs 30* axis rotation up the boards.
pap 5x0
6 pack what''''s your rev rate?
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Ha, I wish I knew. High
speed I can range from 15-19
pap 5x0
just a thought but these two have been the only balls with strong lay outs that I''ve had luck with. maybe they are a little weak for most,I don''t know...
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Edited on 1/25/2010 7:05 PM
Post by: scotts33 on January 25, 2010, 06:02:21 PM
Therein, lies the issue with txbowler also.
Then, add in your local conditions and if you have a heavy hit on your release and you can't compare apples and apples.
BTW.....most with a stronger layout on an SS will get a heavy snap off the dry/backend. It can be a great ball but for others hard to control.
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Post by: six pack on January 25, 2010, 06:09:42 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on January 25, 2010, 06:12:41 PM
This is why most bowlers can't compare ball to ball. ie. my 5 ball arsenal.
Ogre Urethane 4000 abralon spares and light oil
Green/Blue Centaur 4000 abralon light - medium
Ogre Pearl 1500 polished medium
AMB Bronze Centaur 1500 polished but slightly hazed medium with some carry down
Gladiator Solid 2000 abralon medium - heavy
This may or may not work for lots of other players but it works for me.
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Post by: six pack on January 25, 2010, 06:28:19 PM
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Your rev rate supersedes IMO. txbowler has both revs and lower speed.
This is why most bowlers can't compare ball to ball. ie. my 5 ball arsenal.
Ogre Urethane 4000 abralon spares and light oil
Green/Blue Centaur 4000 abralon light - medium
Ogre Pearl 1500 polished medium
AMB Bronze Centaur 1500 polished but slightly hazed medium with some carry down
Gladiator Solid 2000 abralon medium - heavy
This may or may not work for lots of other players but it works for me.
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I would agree. IF you are rev dominant then the O.P. should be a very strong pearl. I've also read that some have felt it's a strong pearl while some have stated it's a little weak. you have to sum up the bowler posting the opinion about the ball and try it if you think it's a match.
I've read plenty of reviews and watched plenty of vids on the Ogre's and thought they looked good,I'm happy I tried one (Ogre SS) and that led me to the O.P. and now a O.U. I want every one now,
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Post by: six pack on January 25, 2010, 06:47:39 PM
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Here is an old video I shot of several Visionary balls B/G Centaur, Ogre SS, Ogre Pearl and Immortal Pearl all shot on the same day on a THS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMKIZor33w
the SS in this vid is the one I bought off of bltbyj. great ball! that O.P. looks to have some back end to it.
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Post by: scotts33 on January 25, 2010, 07:05:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkyQR6HJnGk
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Post by: bltbyj on January 25, 2010, 07:50:11 PM
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/BLTBYJ/DSC03865.jpg
Post by: MC on January 25, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
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I think this video is a pretty good representation of how I see my Ogre Pearl. My pin to PAP distance is longer than Willie's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkyQR6HJnGk
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I get a very similar line to this shot as well. My pap was 5 3/4" x 1/2" up, need to measure again since I have changed my form some. Great ball. I think you are right, with the right drilling, could be what you want. I have seen 4 other bowlers, all different styles, in my house throw the OP, and would not call any of them weak. Hope it works for you, too.
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