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JessN16

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Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« on: May 06, 2009, 10:19:54 AM »
Anyone have any ideas how this is going to play out? I don't know much about what the Ogre Urethane is supposed to be, but a couple of weeks ago I picked up my second Slate Blue and the last couple of weeks have been killing with it late in a block.

Tuesday night, we got to the lanes to find there apparently had been no re-oil done that day. At our house, there are several different patterns that get laid down but the two primary ones are the league pattern and the open play pattern. Open play is lower-volume and flatter, and a little shorter. Several times this year there has been no re-oil for leagues on our particular night.

Add to this that on my pair were two people who started with plastic (and a third person started throwing an old urethane solid in the second game), plus we had followed quite a bit of open play from earlier in the day.

I ended up starting with my least aggressive resin piece and switched to the Slate Blue at the end of the second game, and was able to play a nice shot. Point to make here is that I hope the Ogre Urethane is close to the Slate Blue, although I probably took myself out of the purchase queue for the Ogre now that I went ahead and got a Slate Blue.

They're still available on eBay.

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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 12:17:45 AM »
great post jess, liked the reveiw. im getting one and cant wait to try it my league never gets a reoil.
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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 03:34:17 AM »
Is the UO already out?
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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 04:44:41 AM »
i wish might be till june
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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 09:35:41 AM »
Here is a message I received:

Subject:  Urethane Ogre
Message:  Hello,

It is a solid, but a very hard solid, but it is definitely for fried lanes like the Slate Blue Gargoyle.

Jason

 
Looks like the Ogre Urethane will be a solid instead of a pearl like the Gargoyle....

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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 09:40:10 AM »
Yes, that's what been going around for some time: hard, solid urethane. But for control and as a compensation for the slightly weaker core, this should be fine and leave the UO quite close to the SBG.
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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 10:02:21 AM »
Agreed Dizzy
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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 04:37:36 PM »
I'll definitely be interested to see other people's reviews. One thing I like about the Slate Blue is that it does have a little pop at the very back, but is still smooth. If the Ogre Urethane is smoother still, that sounds like it's going to play almost like plastic.

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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 05:40:50 PM »
Can you say "PINK HAMMER"?

  I don't have inside info, but the Wonders family developed the old HAMMER balls, and the HARD, SOLID urethane cover on the pink HAMMER, and it was the best dry lane ball I EVER threw.
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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2009, 02:00:07 AM »
well jess i get my slate blue monday wont get it punched up for a week but i like your imput on the ball.
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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2009, 09:38:40 AM »
Juggernaut is correct from what I remember in my conversations with Jason.  I almost want to say that the Pink Hammer was even mentioned in the same conversation as a means of comparison.
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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2009, 09:52:07 AM »
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Juggernaut is correct from what I remember in my conversations with Jason.  I almost want to say that the Pink Hammer was even mentioned in the same conversation as a means of comparison.
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 Yeah, and if you put THAT cover on a good, performance core, I think it will make the blue slate pale in comparison. The "PINKIE" was the absolute most predictable/dependable ball I ever saw on dry conditions. The two that I had ( still have one ) did absolutely the same thing shot to shot every time I threw them.

 I still use urethane from time to time, and if this ball DOES have the cover from the "PINKIE", I will be highly interested.
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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2009, 10:50:53 AM »
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 Yeah, and if you put THAT cover on a good, performance core, I think it will make the blue slate pale in comparison. The "PINKIE" was the absolute most predictable/dependable ball I ever saw on dry conditions. The two that I had ( still have one  ) did absolutely the same thing shot to shot every time I threw them.

I still use urethane from time to time, and if this ball DOES have the cover from the "PINKIE", I will be highly interested.


I don't know if I would say that it's going to be the same cover as the pink hammer.  I believe the reference to it was more in relation to pure hardness only.
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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2009, 01:38:30 PM »
Regarding the Pink Hammer:
Not intending to throw cold water on anyone's party, but remember that there were tons of hard urethanes than would hook like the Pink Hammer. What was special about it was, like some Visionary balls, especially the Blue/Green Centaur, its astounding ability to hit harder, move pins better, than almost any other hard, small hooking urethane. That IS why everyone who used it loved, NOT because it hooked so little.

So far, admittedly, all Visionary balls designed for dry lanes, when drilled for the bowler, have been very hard hitting, more so than almost any other manufacturer. Let's hope it continues.
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Re: Ogre Urethane vs. Slate Blue Gargoyle...
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2009, 02:12:04 PM »
quote:
Regarding the Pink Hammer:
Not intending to throw cold water on anyone's party, but remember that there were tons of hard urethanes than would hook like the Pink Hammer. What was special about it was, like some Visionary balls, especially the Blue/Green Centaur, its astounding ability to hit harder, move pins better, than almost any other hard, small hooking urethane. That IS why everyone who used it loved, NOT because it hooked so little.

So far, admittedly, all Visionary balls designed for dry lanes, when drilled for the bowler, have been very hard hitting, more so than almost any other manufacturer. Let's hope it continues.
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 I have to agree with you here charlest. The B/G Centaur reminded me very much of the way the PINK HAMMER acted. They both have small hook ratings, but both seem to just "hit" the pins right to carry.  Probably two of the best balls I have ever owned for light (B/G Centaur) and dry (Pink Hammer).

 I'm actually starting to salivate thinking about a visionary core in that coverstock <drool>.
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