Author Topic: Polish the Ogre Particle (Read 3076 times)

lenstanles703 · « **on:** August 28, 2008, 11:59:22 PM »

Last night I tried the OP with Secret Sauce. It polished up easily, looks great. Once again as a control I did the same to the Ogre Solid. Both 1000 abralon to high gloss. The OS is a few boards stronger than the Ogre Particle on the backend but to play up the boards,Standing 19 up 10, required 16 mph. 2nd shift shot. The solid would swing well from the inside 27/14, the OP worked best at 25/12 14 mph. 670 series. League starts next week, can't wait.
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jkiser01 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 29, 2008, 10:50:40 AM »

I just see no reason to take a ball designed for heavier oil conditions and polishing it.. I have an Ogre Pearl that I can use for those types of conditions..

My Ogre particle was bought to use on oil and thats it..

I guess to each his own..
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scotts33 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 29, 2008, 10:56:03 AM »

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I just see no reason to take a ball designed for heavier oil conditions and polishing it.. I have an Ogre Pearl that I can use for those types of conditions..

My Ogre particle was bought to use on oil and thats it..

I guess to each his own..

Me either and I've posted the same before when some users said the same thing about a Granite. But each to their own.

Maybe a possibility that since Visionary doesn't have a particle pearl that some may want to try polishing a Ogre Particle and see if they get the reaction they are looking for?

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gsback · « **Reply #3 on:** August 29, 2008, 02:27:38 PM »

I'll third that one as well.

Interesting though as I had the chance to finally get the ball drilled up and thrown on Tuesday.

First couple of shots, I just couldn't believe how much the ball took off. As the game went on, ball started to burn up, but instead of putting it away, I moved right and played a tighter line and took hand out.

As I told Jason, just watching the ball react was a thing of beauty. Even with the little hand I was putting in, the ball rolled and right on cue made a nice arc towards to the pocket. Very nice and controlled arc...unlike what I saw at first.

First shots in practice and for the game, ball had a very pronounces turn. I mentioned this to Jason and maybe it's just me, but there was a point in Britton's video when he compared the balls, and you could just see the Ogre Particle start a very strong move left. That's what I saw.

On edit....now that I've watched it again, it was the fact that the ball allowed you to play deeper than the reactive....that was what impressed me.

I am really looking forward to this ball for Travel League!!
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lenstanles703 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 29, 2008, 03:44:20 PM »

Gee I thought I was on test staff to try different things. On that note the coverstocks are easy to adjust. Maybe I'll try the OP at 4000 abralon. I want to have a ball for a different look on THS this looks like it!
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #5 on:** September 03, 2008, 08:31:00 AM »

Say what you will, one of the best reacting balls I ever threw on fresh conditions was a highly polished granite.

Ball was really clean through the heads, had one of the smoothest reads of the midlane, and carrydown didn't seem to affect the hard arcing backends all that much.

Ball was never jumpy, always predictable, and very versatile. For someone who only want to carry a couple of balls, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend that they use a polished particle solid in place of a purely reactive solid because, for me, it did everything a solid resin would do, only better and more versatile.
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shelley · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2008, 10:42:20 AM »

I like high-load particle balls with a nice coat of polish. Yeah, that 320-grit bit of cement that's a Granite Gargoyle might be one of the truly great flood balls but for many bowlers, it's never gonna get used. Put a nice coat of polish on there (maybe after taking the surface up too) and you can easily have a medium to medium-heavy ball that completely ignores carrydown and doesn't over-react on fresh oil. I hear Sean Rash used a polished Mammoth on the Cheetah pattern (during the week) back in Baltimore when he won specifically to control the over-under that the short pattern usually has.

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revTrex · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2008, 12:47:42 PM »

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Say what you will, one of the best reacting balls I ever threw on fresh conditions was a highly polished granite.

Ball was really clean through the heads, had one of the smoothest reads of the midlane, and carrydown didn't seem to affect the hard arcing backends all that much.

Ball was never jumpy, always predictable, and very versatile. For someone who only want to carry a couple of balls, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend that they use a polished particle solid in place of a purely reactive solid because, for me, it did everything a solid resin would do, only better and more versatile.
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Absolutely agree with statements like this. One of the best balls I ever owned was Brunswick Warp Zone, with a TON of polish. For that reason alone, I might try a Ogre Particle with polish. I liked the Ogre Pearl I had, and I see no reason not to TRY polishing a solid particle. You can always change the surface back.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2008, 10:43:47 PM »

FYI....the difference between a high load Visionary particle ball <ie. Midnight Scorcher, Granite, Centaur-AMB Particle, Ogre Particle> and ANY other high load particle ball made by any other manufacturer is like night and day. Those that have not owned rolled and thrown both know nothing in my lil mind.

Yeah you can polish the bejesus out of anything but what's the point? Buy a low load particle and do the same.....same result.

I own and roll some particle LM/L balls <300 w/ Yeah Baby last year> they are not anywhere the amount of particle IMO as any of the high load Visionary balls that I stated. Can you feel the particle in any of the balls anyone stated in the thread? I think NOT!

Say what you will but these balls are condition specific and many other solid and pearls will do as well....some with small to medium tweaks.

BTW....My Solid Glad is smooooth and I don't need to roll a high load particle to see this reaction! I can add in some other non-Visioanry balls that are solid reactive if you need more examples. Radar, Code, Blue Vibe, etc.

I'll just disagree with some of you.

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revTrex · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2008, 10:50:27 PM »

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FYI....the difference between a high load Visionary particle ball <ie. Midnight Scorcher, Granite, Centaur-AMB Particle, Ogre Particle> and ANY other high load particle ball made by any other manufacturer is like night and day. Those that have not owned rolled and thrown both know nothing in my lil mind.

Yeah you can polish the bejesus out of anything but what's the point? Buy a low load particle and do the same.....same result.

I own and roll some particle LM/L balls <300 w/ Yeah Baby last year> they are not anywhere the amount of particle IMO as any of the high load Visionary balls that I stated. Can you feel the particle in any of the balls anyone stated in the thread? I think NOT!

Say what you will but these balls are condition specific and many other solid and pearls will do as well....some with small to medium tweaks.

BTW....My Solid Glad is smooooth and I don't need to roll a high load particle to see this reaction! I can add in some other non-Visioanry balls that are solid reactive if you need more examples. Radar, Code, Blue Vibe, etc.

I'll just disagree with some of you.

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IMHO, OOB, you definitely could feel the Warp Zone's particles. But it has been a few years -- maybe my memory isn't good?

I think what it might come down to -- in terms of smooth reaction "need" -- is the amount of hand and any individual players' games. I have a pretty decent rev rate, and my Gladiator isn't exactly smooth... in fact, it gives me a very Black Widow-esque reaction. I leave more nine-pins with that ball...yikes! It's versatile, but not smooth per se...

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scotts33 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2008, 11:06:51 PM »

Maybe..........ighty Power Stroker, 375-425 revs, 16-18 mph
Normal Track
PAP -- 5 and 3/8 over, 0 up or down

Is vastly different than my 325 to 350 max 4 7/8 " over and O with 14 at the pins.

All I am saying is why take a condition specific ball which Visionary is GREAT at manufacturing unless you are broke and turning into something other than it was designed to do?

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Now small tweaks I am understand but a completely different balls I for one do not understand....just me.
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lenstanles703 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 14, 2008, 12:10:44 PM »

I'm sorry if I bothered some people with my post. I just like to try different things to see how they work. I did try the polished Ogre in league last week and found it was still very early in the mid lane for me. I will try it this week at 4000 w/polish and will post my impressions. I found the Ogre Solid worked better at 1000 ab.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 14, 2008, 12:45:10 PM »

lenstanles703,

See Britton's video at 1000 ab both balls same drill Ogre Solid vs. Ogre Particle. http://www.videoballreviews.com/ogreparticle.html

I see Britton playing 5-7 boards deeper on the lane on a THS.

BTM's rating for length is a 9 very short length for most. Truly a heavier oil ball.

JMO...but I think folks are purchasing the Ogre Particle because it's the newest ball out there and then probably using it on the wrong lane condition.

To add I surely don't think there is anything wrong with changing the balls surface or tweaking it to get a better or needed reaction. I just got my Ogre Particle and will try it OOB but take it to 4000 ab or maybe slight....very slight polish but what I am hearing on this thread is that some are polishing it to the point of being another kind of ball. I don't get it but each to their own. Since Visionary doesn't produce a particle pearl I guess folks are trying to fill that niche with this ball.

Maybe it's semantics and the net one person's polished isn't much polish at all. When I think of polish I think of Kevin's Snake Oil or Legends polish which will really shine a ball up to a REAL shine especially on a higher rev spinner with pressure! I think you defeat the purpose of the ball but again maybe purchasing equipment cuz it's the next great ball out there.

FYI..I have a thick skin and discussion is what it's about so folks can learn from each other.
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Grayson · « **Reply #13 on:** September 15, 2008, 02:21:48 AM »

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I just see no reason to take a ball designed for heavier oil conditions and polishing it.. I have an Ogre Pearl that I can use for those types of conditions..

My Ogre particle was bought to use on oil and thats it..

I guess to each his own..
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... to say that polished solid particles give a different look on certain conditions than pure solids though hooking "the same"... cause they don't.

I found for me that particles even out o/u conditions so good and are so predictable I prefer particle (solid or pearl) right now.
So taking a the ogre particle and taking it up to a more shiny state to be able to use it on less oily conditions has a reason imho.
Not for everyone and most people think and say particles are condition specific ..yet I found mine to be very versatile for me.
... there is always a reason othervise people wouldn't do it, no?

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gsback · « **Reply #14 on:** September 15, 2008, 09:50:18 AM »

I agree with Grayson in what he said in response to Jim, but I also agree with Jim and Scott.

Jim's statement may be more of an opinion because he's been through changing the ball cover and then struggling to get it back to the original reaction the ball was intended for.

I tend to take the same approach. I am not going to buy an Ogre Particle with the expectation of playing around with the cover to suit a medium shot. If I want that, then I don't need that ball and can get something else to shoot that condition with.

Now, a common comeback could easily be that with the different surfaces, you can use the same ball for the different lane conditions. Correct....but you can't modify the condition to suit the lane as you are bowling....so what good does it do???
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