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Q & A
« on: April 13, 2007, 04:50:01 AM »
Hello All,

     For those of you who don't know me, my name is Jason Wonders, VP of Marketing for Visionary Bowling Products.  Lately I have been receiving a lot of requests to come on here and provide information and insight into our equipment line.  

     Typically, I like to stand back and view these posts from the outside so that I get unbiased opinions.  However, since there has been enough demand, I figured I would start a post that could strictly be a question and answer section on our line of equipment.

     Fire away,
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« Reply #61 on: May 09, 2007, 10:16:29 AM »
would just like to say how much i love your product they have taken to to the promised land of 300 7 times with 4 different balls all of which are now Discontinued. my question is out of all the balls in the current visionary lineup should  i turn to when the lanes are Fried?

thanks

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« Reply #62 on: May 09, 2007, 10:43:10 AM »
Hi Visbowler,

Thanks for the kind words.  I'm glad that we could be a small part of helping you knock out some 300's.  In our current line, the best option for really dry lanes would be the Green/Blue Centaur.  It uses an extremely low differential core with a reactive shell to combat lighter oil patterns.

We do still have a few Slate Blue Gargoyles in inventory which would be another option.  In addition, we do plan on coming out with a ball that will replace the Slate, but it won't be until this fall at the earliest.

Thanks again,
Jason Wonders
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« Reply #63 on: May 09, 2007, 12:07:04 PM »
Jason,
I think this is a good question for this topic: http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=163853&ForumID=15&CategoryID=2

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Re: Q & A
« Reply #64 on: May 09, 2007, 01:52:00 PM »
Thanks Leroy.  Question answered.

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Re: Q & A
« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2007, 02:34:16 PM »
Hello Jason, this might have been asked before But as a test staff member will we be able to test new balls before they are released. I know you have a new Ogre comming out and i really like my other 2 ogre's .
Thanks for coming on here and answering everyones questions. No one else can say the same.
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Re: Q & A
« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2007, 02:21:42 PM »
Jason, I had trouble with the Scorcher NPT not being able to handle any carry down with the box finish, so I sanded the ball with 320 grit sand paper and now it reacts like a urethane ball. Did you tell me this was a urethane ball? I don't remember but it will make a great dry lane ball or a dry wood lane ball. The oil piles up on it like a urethane or a plastic ball. It does not soak up any oil like my reactive resin urethane balls.

So here is the question. What is the German resin alluded too on your website in the ball description?

I was reading that a urethane ball is a polyol like all polyester balls except with an Isocynate added to make urethane and a catalyst is added to make the ball "cure" rather quickly.

Reactive urethane has a plasticizer to make the ball sticky and another catalyst to create the oil absorbing cells. So if this is not a urethane ball or a reactive resin urethane ball, what is it?

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« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2007, 09:02:08 PM »
I used a Scorcher NPT years ago and when asked to describe it, I replied that it reacted like a urethane ball, which is not necessarily a bad thing.  Another person said theirs reminded them of their old Blue Hammer, so I have to believe that that was the intent of Visionary, to have a ball that was not as sensitive to oil, but not have that reactive 'kick' off the dry.

Hopefully, Jason will answer your questions for you as I am interested also.

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« Reply #68 on: May 21, 2007, 05:38:56 PM »
Hi getuaload,

At this point, test staff members can pre-order equipment and have it shipped on the day of release, but not prior.  The test staff program already upsets some pro shops even though we have benefits in place for them, and the last thing we want to do is upset our loyal pro shops.

As for the next Ogre, it is a silver/blue pearl (very sharp looking), and it is designed to go a couple feet longer than the Purple/Black, and have a little more pop on the backend.  It was created to take the place of the Green Pearl Gargoyle, and should give you a pretty similar look on the lanes.

Hi John,

The NPT was a completely unique monster, and unlike anything that we released prior or since.  At that point in time, the idea was that particle balls would give you a more consistant roll, yet still carry like reactives.  We felt that we could do this with a liquid additive we found overseas, hence the term NPT (non particle technology).  

The reaction we received to this ball varied greatly from bowler to bowler, and quickly became a love/hate bowling ball.  Those that desired control, and could be consistant with their release and speed loved this ball, while others who were used to just cranking it up and hoping the ball would make up for their mistakes hated it.  It didn't have the backend of a reactive, and didn't handle quite as much oil as alot of the particle balls, so I think it confused as many bowlers as it helped.  However, I think we got what we were looking for at the time; a control ball that carried like reactives.

Your information on the materials used in equipment is a little bit off.  Most if not all polyurethane balls on the market use a 2 part system containing a polyether polyol and an isocyanate.  These two compounds react together to form a new chain called a polyurethane (no catalyst is needed, as the reaction is self sustained until completion).  

Additives can be anything that range from fillers to liquid compounds that may or may not be involved in the reaction process at all.  In the case of the NPT, it was a specialized chain extender from overseas that created the difference in reaction.  It allowed the material to maintain a shore D hardness above the legal limit, yet made the bonds more flexible than your typical reactive urethanes (you probably noticed that when sanding the ball, it filled up your sandpaper quicker than normal)

Polyester balls are completely different and use a catalyst, typically an organic peroxide, to start a free radical mechanism in which the polyester chains use a monomer to crosslink themselves.  There are no urethane components, and adding a isocyanate would do nothing to a polyester resin (unless it contained an active hydroxyl group, in which case it would make something completely different).

I think your confusion comes in with the fact that there are chemical compositions called polyester polyols, which can be combined with an isocyanate to create polyurethane compounds.  However, these typically do not have desirable characteristics for bowling balls (atleast not in anything I've ever tested).  

The "oil absorbing cells" are nothing more than microscopic pores.  It is true that reactive bowling balls are urethanes, but they contain special plasticizers that allow for the use of polyols that otherwise could not be used to create bowling balls.  This is partially what causes reactive bowling balls to be more brittle than the older urethanes and what helps create these pores.  As chemists, we are currently pushing the limits of urethane compatibility, and some "reactive urethanes" are stronger than others.

To answer your question, I would say that in bowling terms the NPT is not your typical urethane, reactive, or particle, but instead something completely unique.  We tried it on that ball and it only received a luke warm reception, so we canned the coverstock.


Hope this helps explain a little,
Jason Wonders
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PS, John, did u receive my email with the images?  Email me and we can discuss the core thing further.

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Re: Q & A
« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2007, 12:06:43 AM »
So with all this testing you do with different formulas and coverstocks, etc. etc.  Have you ever had any reactions that you didn't exactly expect?  It doesn't sound like you are messing around with any "unstable" chemicals, but Everybody knows that 2 stable chemicals can create some explosions.  So I guess my main question is, have you ever had to evacuate the building or anything like that because of somebody mixing a ball wrong or trying a compound that didn't exactly work out as planned?

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« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2007, 11:31:28 AM »
Hi Jeremy,

No, fortunately we have never encountered that situation yet.  Most of the materials used in the plant are not quite that volatile, and usually go pretty much as expected.

Now, as far as the way a ball reacts on the lane, there are always trial and errors.  It seems as though just about the time we think we find a pattern with new chemical formulations and reactions, I take it one step further and the ball ends up doing nothing.  It is amazing how very small changes to the formulations can cause a major change in the way a ball reacts.

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Re: Q & A
« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2007, 08:53:14 PM »
Hi Jason.

Is the Ogre cover as Versatile when changing the surface as the React-a-Tact found on the FMG and the AMD Centaur Solid?

Personally I love my AMB solid and have had great and continued success with it.

Soon as I get some money saved I plan on Picking Up another as well as a Purple Ogre.

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Re: Q & A
« Reply #72 on: May 23, 2007, 11:57:52 AM »
Has the Blue/Silver ("Sluever"???) Ogre gotten a release date yet?  Can't wait after the Blurple...

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Re: Q & A
« Reply #73 on: May 23, 2007, 12:25:06 PM »
i preordered mine yesterday, should be ready around june 1st.
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Re: Q & A
« Reply #74 on: May 23, 2007, 01:45:49 PM »
Thanks, getuaload...The "Sluever" is in my near future, then.

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« Reply #75 on: May 23, 2007, 04:14:44 PM »
Hey Jason,

The Eradicator coverstock is just as versatile as the React-A-Tack.  It takes polish very well, and can very easily be adjusted to match whatever lane conditions you are facing.  You may not be able to find a surface to cover extremely dry or extremely wet, but with different surfaces or drillings you should be able to cover almost everything in between.

Rev,

The Silver/Blue Ogre is going to be released sometime in early June.  I'm not quite sure we are going to hit the June 1st date that we were shooting for, but it will be very soon.  I try not to give out too much information on new releases before I have an official date, because bowlers just aren't very patient lol.

I will be releasing artwork and other information early next week, so if any of you really can't wait to see the ball, just let me know and I will see about getting you a sneak peak.

Jason Wonders
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Edited on 5/23/2007 4:13 PM