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Q & A
« on: April 13, 2007, 04:50:01 AM »
Hello All,

     For those of you who don't know me, my name is Jason Wonders, VP of Marketing for Visionary Bowling Products.  Lately I have been receiving a lot of requests to come on here and provide information and insight into our equipment line.  

     Typically, I like to stand back and view these posts from the outside so that I get unbiased opinions.  However, since there has been enough demand, I figured I would start a post that could strictly be a question and answer section on our line of equipment.

     Fire away,
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« Reply #76 on: May 23, 2007, 08:44:33 PM »
DING DING DING I'd like a sneak peak .  Even though I'm slowly trying to phase myself out of visionary (I'm thinking about doing some PBA events next year) I'm not sure if I can escape the temptation that I'm getting with the new Bluver (thats my name for it ).  and its probably going to look really cool too, hopefully a lot like my C300 Jinx.  

I'm going to have to give you a call and ask you some questions about my AMB Centaur Solid.  It just is not the ball I was expecting it to be, and for some reason the ball really just doesn't hook.  Talk to you later Jason

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« Reply #77 on: June 05, 2007, 11:07:09 PM »
Jason,
Can you give us an update on the Silver/Blue Ogre? tentative release etc....
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« Reply #78 on: June 06, 2007, 07:29:27 AM »
Jason..... Just letting you know the Black/Purple Ogre goes ok.

Drilled it up last night with the pin 4.5 inches from PAP, 3.5" above midline (just above bridge) with the CG at 75*. No hole and box finish.

Just shot my 4th 300 with it, and my 1st 800 with an 802 after using the Ogre Solid for the first 2 games and going 246, 256.

Can't wait for the Blue/Silver


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« Reply #79 on: June 06, 2007, 05:09:52 PM »
Hi MC,

I have now received approval on the name of the coverstock, so we will have all of the promotional materials done within the next week, and from there we will be ready to begin production.  We aren't very far away from releasing it.  Hopefully I will be able to give you an exact date by Friday.

Here is the information on the new Ogre:

Dear valued customer,
     
     Visionary Bowling Products, LLC. would like to announce the availability of our new ball called the SS Ogre (skid/snap).  Developed to create length and pronounced backend motion, this silver/blue pearl is truly a skid snap ball.  
     The SS Ogre utilizes our new Destroyer coverstock; a highly reactive shell that allows the ball to sail through the heads and store up energy for the backends.  This ball is intended for use on shorter patterns, or house conditions with fresh backends.  
     Like the previous Ogres, this ball is powered by a symmetrical, dual density core design without a wrap.  This allows for a thicker, more uniform coverstock for extra resilience and energy at impact with the pins.  The dense flip cap helps create a strong move at it’s breakpoint, while the body of the core helps to provide a consistent reaction without the typical over/under you see from many reactives.

LOW RG - 2.59"
Differential - .029"
Coverstock - Destroyer
Finish - 1500 Polish

Here is an image of the ball

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3020/silverandblueogre2gg5.jpg



Hey Androooooo,

I guess the ball is working well than.  Now, if we could only teach you how to bowl....lol.  

PS Had any good pie lately?


Jason Wonders
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Edited on 6/6/2007 5:08 PM

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« Reply #80 on: June 06, 2007, 05:16:06 PM »
ALL pie is good! hehe
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« Reply #81 on: June 06, 2007, 05:33:09 PM »
This ball looks very similar to the Punisher by Brunswick.  Nonetheless, still looking forward to this release as my Greenie is approaching 7 years old.
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« Reply #82 on: June 06, 2007, 09:48:32 PM »
How would the SS Ogre compare to the Ogre Pearl, given the same layout on a standard 40' house shot?  Is it going to be weaker overall, or cover roughly the same number of boards with more of that being on the backend?


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« Reply #83 on: June 07, 2007, 02:14:43 AM »
Quick question that I was just curious about. If you can't answer the question because of certain "legal" details or anything like that then thats fine. I was just wondering, How many bowling balls do you guys produce in a given day or week. and when is the plant actually running. I doubt its running 7 days a week but I could be wrong. Also is there a certain # of bowling balls made per type of ball. Say you make X amount of Ogre Solids. and then you turn around and make Y amount of blurples or Slues. What makes you determine how many to make and everything. Thanks.

Jeremy

P.S. Got the e-mail of the Slue, and from what I can tell its going to look great. I think I would probably rather have some more blue in it, but its still a great ball, and maybe if I get one I'll get one with some extra Blue in it . Thanks again for everything.


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Re: Q & A
« Reply #84 on: June 07, 2007, 06:03:40 AM »
quote:
How would the SS Ogre compare to the Ogre Pearl, given the same layout on a standard 40' house shot?  Is it going to be weaker overall, or cover roughly the same number of boards with more of that being on the backend?
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Eddie,

They covered this previously: The Black/Purple pearl Ogre acts more like a particle pearl, an arc-ing ball that handles more oil than the new SS (blue silver) Ogre. The Blue Silver is a replacement for the original Green Gargoyle; it is a major skid/flip ball, which needs fresh or very clean backends, and has a larger (almost montrous) entry angle.
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« Reply #85 on: June 07, 2007, 03:52:44 PM »
Love the names! Looking forward to setting sail soon!
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« Reply #86 on: June 07, 2007, 04:33:26 PM »
quote:
 
They covered this previously: The Black/Purple pearl Ogre acts more like a particle pearl, an arc-ing ball that handles more oil than the new SS (blue silver) Ogre. The Blue Silver is a replacement for the original Green Gargoyle; it is a major skid/flip ball, which needs fresh or very clean backends, and has a larger (almost montrous) entry angle.


That wasn't the question though.  Partially maybe, but not really.  My question was about the overall amount of hook.  I understand what the shape of the hook is supposed to be, but I want to know about the amount of hook... number of boards it will cover in comparison to the Orge Pearl.  

For me the Ogre Pearl and Orge solid will cover roughly the same number of baords, but give me two completely different looks.  Is the SS going to be another ball in that mold?  Or is it going to have a weaker overal hook potential?
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« Reply #87 on: June 07, 2007, 09:28:15 PM »
Ed,

I was wondering the same thing. I see the same thing out of my Blurple and pumpkin Ogres as they do cover about the same amount of boards, but the Blurple does it later....even with the original at 4000 abralon, no polish.

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« Reply #88 on: June 08, 2007, 03:18:34 PM »
All,

Jason, you can correct me if I'm wrong here.

Visonary is phasing out their Gargoyle Line with the Ogre Line so what you will see out of these releases is an upgrade in the technology and dynamics of equipment.

My assumption is the following:

Ogre Solid = Charcoal Executioner (slightly different in that the Diff. is lower in the Ogre, however, the technology of the coverstock and core combination give it that similar reaction and exceptional hitting power).

Ogre Pearl = Violet Gargoyle (again, slightly different in that the RG and Diff. are a little lower in the Ogre, but the technology of the cover/core combo gives it the strength comparable if not more so to the Violet)

SS Ogre = Green Gargoyle (but because of the Ogre core will provide with a more consistent, controlling skid/snap reaction where the Gargoyle Core did not allow for that freedom)
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    Re: Q & A
    « Reply #89 on: June 11, 2007, 04:40:57 PM »
    Hi Eddie,

    The SS Ogre will go a couple feet further than the Purple/Black Pearl, and have a few more boards backend.  It is more a skid/snap type ball that will skate on oil, but really flip hard when it transitions to the dry.  It will be more angular and can really open up the lanes on most house shots, but like most skid/snap balls, it won't handle carrydown as well.

    It's really hard to give exact figures, because a lot depends on the bowler, the amount of oil (number of units), and even the oil type.  From my personal experience, testing it at our local houses with a THS out, I found it to go about 3 feet further with a more pronounced snap.

    It's kind of funny that you bring up this question, because I just had an in depth conversation with a couple members from here a few days ago about almost exactly the same thing.  Giving out ratings for hook, and answering questions regarding how much a ball will hook is a really tough thing to do.  Take for example the following situations:

    Long Heavy oil (average rev rate/speed etc) - Green Gargoyle vs. AMB Particle

    The AMB Particle will hook.  Total coverage may be 10-12 boards of hook and will give bowlers a look when no other ball will.

    The Green Gargoyle will go dead straight.  You may get a couple boards of hook, depending on how dry the backends are, but in all likelihood, you won't see much.  So the AMB Particle hooks a lot more.

    Light oil (average rev rate/speed etc) - Green Gargoyle vs. AMB Particle

    The AMB Particle will most likely burn up really early.  Because it was able to grab the lane so early, it uses up most if not all of it's energy before it gets to the breakpoint.  It can actually make the ball look as though it is not hooking much at all, because it is burned out.

    The Green Gargoyle can be swung from corner to corner, and can cover nearly the entire lane.  On this condition, the Green Gargoyle can quite possibly outhook the AMB Particle by quite a few boards.

    Which ball hooks more?  Well, if you go by the total number of boards covered,  the correct answer could be either.  Lane conditions, types of oils, bowler style (rev rate/speed etc), drilling patterns, carrydown and a number of other variables can affect the answer.  Also, what is heavy oil to some, is average or lighter oils to others and vice versa.

    Hope this makes sense to everyone......

    Hi Jeremy,

    I can't really give you information on the number of balls, but I can tell you that we typically work 5 days a week (Monday-Friday) 8:30-5:30 cst, and on occasions where we have an abundance of orders that need to be finished, we do work some overtime and weekends.

    The number of balls produced for each style really just depends on how well the ball is selling.  We do not have any set number that we will produce for each ball, or any set number on our inventory.  It's amazing how sales can vary from month to month for different styles.  One month we may sell 50 FM Gryphons, and the following month we may sell 500.  We just try to make sure that we have enough in inventory to last us a few weeks, so that we have enough time to rotate through several balls before going back to any particular ball.

    Jason Wonders
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    « Reply #90 on: June 11, 2007, 05:02:52 PM »
    It makes complete sense.  And yes I know it can be a difficult question to answer given the variables.  In heavy oil alot of balls look weak, and on drier lanes alot of balls look strong.  I am not looking for an exact number of boards a ball will cover. I am merely looking for the characteristic of the ball.  The Ogre/Ogre Pearl are strong balls, the Slate Blue is a weak ball.  The SS Ogre sounds as if it will be a condition specific type of ball.  I am basicly looking for something a bit milder in reaction the the Ogre/Ogre pearl, but with a bit more than the SBG.
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