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stormfanken

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question about ogre SS
« on: July 14, 2009, 07:53:08 AM »
Even though I have an ogre particle, I am not the most knowledgable about Visionary equipment. I just bought that ball cause I wanted a particle in my arsenal and that ball got alot of recommendations. I am now considering adding the Ogre SS to my arsenal but before I do I am just wondering if some of you out there can tell me what this ball would be comparable to from other companies. Would it be similar to maybe a black widow pearl, or maybe a rapid fire pearl. If anyone can help I would appreciate it.
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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2009, 04:07:13 PM »
Maybe an Emerald Vibe.
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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2009, 04:11:16 PM »
charlest.....

is the ball that tame or is the Emerald Vibe stronger than I think?? Does that put it in the same class then as an Avalanche Pearl?

Edited on 7/14/2009 4:13 PM
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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2009, 04:55:57 PM »
the ogre ss can be compared to any ball that will cover medium-light conditions and has a strong reaction when it finds friction.

it has a medium high rg and a low diff.

I dont think anything else on the market is REALLY close but I think id agree with charlest. possibly the emerald vibe. both go long and turn hard when encountering friction.
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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2009, 05:06:40 PM »
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charlest.....

is the ball that tame or is the Emerald Vibe stronger than I think?? Does that put it in the same class then as an Avalanche Pearl?

Edited on 7/14/2009 4:13 PM


Neither the Emerald nor the SS would normally be considered "tame" balls. Both go long and have tons of backend, for the vast majority of people. Like all such balls, those with an end-over-end release (extremely low tilt) or those with a high ball speed to rev rate ratio will never admit that such balls have a lot of backend and will be the exception.

Both are more skid/flip than an Avalanche Pearl, near as I can tell and handle more oil.
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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2009, 07:20:16 AM »
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charlest.....

is the ball that tame or is the Emerald Vibe stronger than I think?? Does that put it in the same class then as an Avalanche Pearl?

Edited on 7/14/2009 4:13 PM


Neither the Emerald nor the SS would normally be considered "tame" balls. Both go long and have tons of backend, for the vast majority of people. Like all such balls, those with an end-over-end release (extremely low tilt) or those with a high ball speed to rev rate ratio will never admit that such balls have a lot of backend and will be the exception.

Both are more skid/flip than an Avalanche Pearl, near as I can tell and handle more oil.
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Edited on 7/14/2009 5:07 PM


I am that "low tilt" guy and the SS is still pretty flippy for me. It is the complete opposite of the Ogre Particle. It will handle lighter mediums to the top level of dry. If they are bone dry, unless you have a ton of speed or a very low rev rate, you won't get much use out of it.

When it hits dry, it will make a defined move. It is actually not horrible on a little carrydown either. It is not a benchmark ball, the Ogre Solid with some polish or the Ogre Pearl are much more controlled.

On an blended THS ( not so wet/dry) this ball is a winner. To this day, one of the best carrying balls I have ever thrown.
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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2009, 03:00:25 PM »
Ogre SS is the first ball out of my bag on fresh THS. Much stronger than advertised. Had to have my driller put an extra hole in to calm the snappiness. No I don't think it is completely comparable to other companies balls.
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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2009, 09:51:25 PM »
My Ogre SS is a beast on short patterns and THS.  I thought about getting the Ogre Pearl to go under it for a little more hold in oil, but I decided to try my Ogre SS at 2000 with no polish.  BINGO!  The Ogre SS rolls heavier in the mid-lane now with no loss on the back end , but with more control at the break.
Skipping the Ogre Pearl and onto the Ogre Urethane for light/dry/spares.
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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2009, 10:25:00 PM »
Well I can say that mine in box finish is a beast. I can use it as the lanes break down and go deep inside. I love how it bounces off the dry when rolling this line. I was about to do a post asking if Visionary had a ball with this angularity but more surface.
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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2009, 01:15:25 AM »
I thought the G-3 was pretty angular, at least for me.  I don't have an SS so can't compare them, but the G-3 should be good for mediums.  Even though it is discontinued, the Green Gargoyle was an angular reacting ball for light to med-light conditions, and it should still be available on eBay.

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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2009, 08:24:52 AM »
I have two SS Ogre's for sale...will sell cheap.
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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2009, 11:16:01 AM »
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Well I can say that mine in box finish is a beast. I can use it as the lanes break down and go deep inside. I love how it bounces off the dry when rolling this line. I was about to do a post asking if Visionary had a ball with this angularity but more surface.


I was thinking the same thing. If I could get the same reaction only with a more aggressive coverstock id buy it!
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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2009, 05:09:57 AM »
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Well I can say that mine in box finish is a beast. I can use it as the lanes break down and go deep inside. I love how it bounces off the dry when rolling this line. I was about to do a post asking if Visionary had a ball with this angularity but more surface.

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I was thinking the same thing. If I could get the same reaction only with a more aggressive coverstock id buy it!


There is a thread here, http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=229028&ForumID=15&CategoryID=2, where they talk about VBP Pearls.  If you really want something with more surface and more snap, the New Breed Pearl and G-3 Gryphon are your choices.

On edit.....when you say more surface....what are you really meaning??  I made the 'more surface' reference using the Ogre SS as a comparison.  So....are you really wanting something that handles oil....yet still has the backend pop??

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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2009, 09:10:32 AM »
GS, I read that post but what I am looking for is the same motion of the SS.
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Re: question about ogre SS
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2009, 06:59:53 AM »
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GS, I read that post but what I am looking for is the same motion of the SS.


So, you are wanting something that handles more oil yet reacts the same way on the backend as the Ogre SS??

If so, I believe that's what everyone would love....but where would you use it??  The problem I see with something like that is that while it's going to handle more oil....it's also a backend beast....and while for a short time that might be great, it's not going to last.  The lanes will break down to a point where you aren't going to keep it in the pocket because (a) head oil is now gone thus ball reacts too soon or (b) backend becomes drier and ball jumps uncontrollably.


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