Author Topic: Need opinions- Polished 'punkin or......... (Read 869 times)

Juggernaut · « **on:** September 16, 2008, 12:56:21 PM »

dulled blurple ogre?

Wanting to try an Ogre, just don't think the blurple would be enough ball in its stock surface and wanted to know, if you had to make the choice between a pumpkin with a smoothed out surface or a blurple with a scuffed surface, which would you choose?

And Why?

Right now, I am throwing a pin up ( over bridge ), strong MB, TNV with a light scuff surface ( 1000 ab ), but using a lot of tilt to keep it clean, problem is, this makes for a weak finish when I have to get deep inside. I would rather use my natural release ( lots of 45 degree rotation and not much tilt ) and thought that an ogre, with its lower diff, would probably let me get into a more natural position with my hand and still be pretty clean through the heads without having to be "spun" through them, even though I am a bit rev dominant.
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ibowled286 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 16, 2008, 11:10:28 PM »

Id go with the blurple, but if I were you id try it OOB first, its alot stronger than people give it credit for.

I_Bowl4Money · « **Reply #2 on:** September 17, 2008, 01:57:43 PM »

Juggernaut,

Based on your brief description your Total NV sounds like it is revving very fast and when you are getting deep the ball is using up too much of the cover from the front part of the lane to the back.

The Ogre line is designed to cover all spectrums of conditions.

Ogre Solid - medium oil, works well on most conditions overall with surface mods.

Ogre Pearl - medium oil, clean through the front and reads the mids nicely with strong roll.

SS Ogre - medium-light oil, clean through the fronts and snaps harder on the backend than the Ogre Pearl.

Ogre Particle - medium-heavy oil, good for oil in the fronts and mids, less push, with a smoother backend reaction.

You options are endless here, the question would be, what is your main area of play and where are you post comfortable playing??

If going deep is the answer - SS Ogre
If going small bump slightly inside - Ogre Pearl
If going up the track - Ogre Solid
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #3 on:** September 17, 2008, 06:04:25 PM »

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Juggernaut,

Based on your brief description your Total NV sounds like it is revving very fast and when you are getting deep the ball is using up too much of the cover from the front part of the lane to the back.

The Ogre line is designed to cover all spectrums of conditions.

Ogre Solid - medium oil, works well on most conditions overall with surface mods.

Ogre Pearl - medium oil, clean through the front and reads the mids nicely with strong roll.

SS Ogre - medium-light oil, clean through the fronts and snaps harder on the backend than the Ogre Pearl.

Ogre Particle - medium-heavy oil, good for oil in the fronts and mids, less push, with a smoother backend reaction.

You options are endless here, the question would be, what is your main area of play and where are you post comfortable playing??

If going deep is the answer - SS Ogre
If going small bump slightly inside - Ogre Pearl
If going up the track - Ogre Solid
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The TNV, even with polish, is too much ball close to the track ( after about 10 frames the track area burns ), but not enough ball to move deep without some surface, due to the high volume of oil in the center of the lane.

I was actually hoping that, because of the lower diff number from the ogres, that I could play a more "up the boards" shot, closer to the track area.

I'm pretty sure the blurple wouldn't handle the center of the lane, but, if it could handle hitting the dry and not hooking instantly, it may be what I am seeking.

Can anyone tell me the difference between the blurple and the solid if they were both at the same exact surface finish, say 1000 abralon or maybe 1000 abralon with polish?
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I_Bowl4Money · « **Reply #4 on:** September 17, 2008, 09:26:02 PM »

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The TNV, even with polish, is too much ball close to the track ( after about 10 frames the track area burns ), but not enough ball to move deep without some surface, due to the high volume of oil in the center of the lane.

I was actually hoping that, because of the lower diff number from the ogres, that I could play a more "up the boards" shot, closer to the track area.

I'm pretty sure the blurple wouldn't handle the center of the lane, but, if it could handle hitting the dry and not hooking instantly, it may be what I am seeking.

Can anyone tell me the difference between the blurple and the solid if they were both at the same exact surface finish, say 1000 abralon or maybe 1000 abralon with polish?

Jugger,

After reading your reply, this is my suggestion. Hopefully this will encourage others to respond with agreement or alternative suggestions.

You are needing to control the transition from wet to dry and rather than playing deep and swinging through the oil to the dry, you're wanting to play around the track which is more comfortable for you.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds as if your TNV is giving you over/under and by placing the scuff on the ball would allow you to play more in the oil, not so close to the dry, however, if you get the ball into the dry too fast, it's over hooking and if you're too far to the left, it's not hitting with enough power.

My suggestion is that you go with the OGRE SOLID and a short PIN to CG (1 to 2 inches max). Since you are Rev Dominant I would suggest using a 4 1/2 PIN to PAP layout. The reason I suggest this setup for you is the need to control the ball's reaction in the dry. The lower pin will allow you to play in the oil without the ball pushing down the lane. If the ball gets to the dry too soon, it should rev and set up to the pocket.

If you're ball driller utilizes the Dual Angle technique, I would suggest a Drill Angle of 50 or 60 degrees and a VAL Angle of 40 or 50. You're ball driller should be able to give you a more accurate suggestion, but this should definitely put you in the right direction.

I wish you the best of the luck and hope this will spark further conversation. Talk to you ball driller who should know your game pretty well. As I mentioned, this is merely my suggestion and my opinion based on my experiences.

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icewall · « **Reply #5 on:** September 17, 2008, 10:04:20 PM »

I would stay away from the ogre pearl as it will turn very fast when it is used on a wet/dry shot. your gonna want something to blend the shot.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 17, 2008, 10:54:27 PM »

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I would stay away from the ogre pearl as it will turn very fast when it is used on a wet/dry shot. your gonna want something to blend the shot.

ONLY in OOB state. Mine blends very well at 4000ab.
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Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #7 on:** September 18, 2008, 01:05:01 AM »

Either ball has a very adjustable cover.
My ogre solid is at 2000 abralon now (just drilled up a Ogre Particle)
My ogre pearl is at 2000 Abralon polished (Finesse it polish)
Gonna have a SS Ogre drilled up hopefully tomorrow and I'm going to keep that at box for now.
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