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chitown

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slate blue gargoyle
« on: January 24, 2007, 04:05:40 PM »
well i'm buying myself a slate blue gargoyle.  You can't beat a urethane cover with a high end core for drier lanes.

How many of you have this ball?  What are your thoughts about it?  What layout do you have on yours?
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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2007, 12:12:49 AM »
Pin above bridge still flares nearly 2" for me. With urethane and no filler this ball sends pins flying around the pin deck.  Mostly a spare ball for me, but will use it for strikes if the lanes are making my other balls hit flat/weak.

Rumor has it that L/LM next ball for drier lanes could be urethane as well...
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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2007, 02:32:29 AM »
Got one, my thoughts:

http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=13&BallID=455&ReviewID=26165

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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2007, 02:46:50 AM »
love mine for fried lanes hits pretty hard, nice arc motion...was better than i expected.
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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2007, 07:58:19 AM »
I've had mine for a few years now.  Original layout was pin above middle finger, no x-hole.  This layout, with the pin so close to my track, didn't flare hardly at all.  The reaction was incredibly mild, so I had it redrilled to pin above middle finger with a small x-hole.  This gave me a much more usable ball.  It is very good on short oil with clean backends, or light oil.  I find it to be too much ball for the desert.  I know it is a pearl, but urethane will still grab very early if there is no oil.  It also reacts very differently than you would think to coverstock alterations.  For example, I once took it to 2000 plus ebonite FF polish.  On a dry condition, it would grab at about 25 feet and go dead left.  Once taken back to box, it would get "normal" length.  It's a very good ball, but slightly condition specific.

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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2007, 10:20:20 AM »
I just picked one up...pin next to ring...so smooth and solid on difficult conditions.

Reminded me of how much I liked the violet gargoyle...and made me ask myself why I got rid of it. Guess I should start looking around for another one.
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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2007, 08:44:01 AM »
I'm always juggling balls around because I rarely hit fresh oil.  I was just going to add it back to the bag for Tuesday nights.  Drilling is in my profile.  For me, it hits much better when rolled more end over end.  Maybe it's just a little carry down, but when I use more axis rotation with mine, it doesn't seem to pick up a roll in time and hits very weak.
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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2007, 03:35:22 PM »
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I'm always juggling balls around because I rarely hit fresh oil.  I was just going to add it back to the bag for Tuesday nights.  Drilling is in my profile.  For me, it hits much better when rolled more end over end.  Maybe it's just a little carry down, but when I use more axis rotation with mine, it doesn't seem to pick up a roll in time and hits very weak.
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That's the same thing that happened to a guy I know.  His works great for the dry if he came up the back of the ball more.  When he put more side rotation on the ball it just didn't hit very good.

This ball seems to be the perfect dry lane ball.  One that you can come up the back and play in areas that are dried out and reactives are too much.

I'm surprised other companies have not made urethane balls with high end cores.  To me the urethane cover is the best for really dry lanes.
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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2007, 06:47:14 PM »
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I'm always juggling balls around because I rarely hit fresh oil.  I was just going to add it back to the bag for Tuesday nights.  Drilling is in my profile.  For me, it hits much better when rolled more end over end.  Maybe it's just a little carry down, but when I use more axis rotation with mine, it doesn't seem to pick up a roll in time and hits very weak.
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Makes me wonder if you're using it on light enough oil. For me, I may be doing the opposite, using it in too light an oil BECAUSE I always felt I had to add axis rotation to get it to hit strongly. Of course, the difference could be in both our releases and in our respective drillings of our SBG.

Haven't used mine, a 15 lb one, since I swicthed back to 16 lbs last July.
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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2007, 06:55:16 PM »
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I'm always juggling balls around because I rarely hit fresh oil.  I was just going to add it back to the bag for Tuesday nights.  Drilling is in my profile.  For me, it hits much better when rolled more end over end.  Maybe it's just a little carry down, but when I use more axis rotation with mine, it doesn't seem to pick up a roll in time and hits very weak.
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That's the same thing that happened to a guy I know.  His works great for the dry if he came up the back of the ball more.  When he put more side rotation on the ball it just didn't hit very good.

This ball seems to be the perfect dry lane ball.  One that you can come up the back and play in areas that are dried out and reactives are too much.

I'm surprised other companies have not made urethane balls with high end cores.  To me the urethane cover is the best for really dry lanes.
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FYI I reently tried a 16 lb Hi Flare Scout urethane from Columbia. Because it was high flare, I put the pin above the center of the bridge, kicking the CG out slightly. This ball is polished, instock form, to 2000 grit. I found it to hook early and form an old fashioned curve on dry-ish conditions, where my polished, dry lane resin ball, Blue/Green Centaur went longer and had more of a resin-type finish (not hockey stick shape because the lanes were dry).

I only used the Scout HF urethane once and really need to use it more to form a valid (to my mind) opinion. But that first use has made shy of using it.


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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2007, 08:59:18 PM »
I think I'm using on light enough oil.  The SBG doesn't struggle to cover boards when using a more end over end release.  My light oil equipment (usually the Blue Hot Flame) hooks plenty, so it's pretty dry.  I find the same thing with some of my Lane#1 equipment - 45 degrees or less axis rotation works good for me; more and they just seem to labor down lane.  That's why I'm guessing carry down.  Both of my leagues tend to get some play before we start.  I only see fresh lanes about 10% of the time between both of them.  Also the balls I'm talking about have really weak drillings on them.  Maybe the combination of weak drillings, fairly weak covers, and a little carry down need a stronger roll to be effective.
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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2007, 07:57:24 AM »
Strider,

Carrydown on lanes so dry that you need to use the Blue Flame or the Slate Blue is a real horror, almost a travesty of bowling justice. I know as I face it often. I'm still using the solid B/G Centaur; it was even better than a stronger but still mild pearl, the DYno-Thane Crisis Pearl, an excellent ball. The B/GC allowed me to go thru the carrydown and around it at my choice.

Recently I've been think of getting another B/G Centaur (I seem to stealing this thread; sorry, chitown), and leave it stock, as I polished this one.

Chitown,
Between the Slate Blue, the Blue/Green and Green Gargoyle, Visionary has some THE very best light oil balls ever made.

For my money I'd recommend a high pin (above the midline) for drilling a SLate Blue and if you have any hand, a 4-5" pin-PAP distance, as this core is not weak. Remember also that this is still a urethane ball, and even though it's a pearl, they are still earlier rolling than some polished resins. The good thing is they are a control ball with good hitting power.

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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2007, 03:02:08 PM »
Thanks for the info guys.
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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2007, 07:05:26 PM »
I have one and love it. I was at the BR Gathering last year and by the time everyone had worn the lanes out of oil in practice and the tournament, the Slate Blue was about the only thing that could hold up.

It's stronger than you think, but completely arcy. No skid/snap, over/under to this ball. And the core allows it to carry like the highest-end equipment.

I'll be carrying it with me to league this week, just in case I see conditions like I did last week, when it got too dry to throw anything up the oil line.

Great ball; I have no idea why it was discontinued, basically leaving the market for this type of thing up to Lane #1.

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Re: slate blue gargoyle
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2007, 08:36:23 AM »
Charles has one he was throwing last weekend in Plano.  Real nice look on the ball as the lanes were definitely broken down.

Very nice ball and a big compliment to his style!
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