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Spike2112

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Frankie May layout help
« on: January 18, 2009, 03:10:59 AM »
Anyone try a Rico drill on their FMG? What kind of reaction would this drilling give and would it work for someone who tracks pretty high. Most of my stuff is drilled fairly strong and I come close to clipping the thumb, but never roll over the fingers. Would a Rico drill thump over the thumb/fingers for a high tracker?
Thanks for any help.


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Re: Frankie May layout help
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2009, 02:24:29 PM »
Why are you wanting to do a Rico on this particular ball??
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Re: Frankie May layout help
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2009, 07:12:30 AM »
Think I just wanted to try a Rico Drilling on ANY ball, just curious if anyone has done one on this ball. I don't see many Rico drilled balls so I don't really know what to expect out of them, but my driller suggested it on a Gladiator Solid I brought in. It had a longer pin so I didn't do it. Wondering if anyone has done Rico drill on any of their Visionary gear and what their thoughts were.


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Re: Frankie May layout help
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2009, 07:27:34 AM »
Remember try not to use anything with a pin longer then 3'' I have a gladiator Pearl with the Rico and its one of the strongest balls i own.

The Frankie may has a strong cover and flares a good bit, If you use this layout you will prolly want to take the cover up to around 4000 and maybe even polish. It should be a monster if you do try it.
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Re: Frankie May layout help
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2009, 07:28:47 AM »
From my perspective only reason to Rico layout anything is for tourney players wanting this type of reaction on longer flatter patterns.  JMO....but on house walls I can use just about anything with typical normal layouts.  Ball match up to oil volume is the main thing.  Just to layout a ball Rico is self defeating unless you have the time/energy and $$$ to experiment.  Again JMO.  

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This was written by Joe Slowinski
7-Jan-2008
The RICO layout is certainly creating a buzz. It has been used on Tour successfully this season including by Parker Bohn in his win in Spartanburg on the Viper pattern as well as in qualifying by Diandra Asbaty during her march to winning the Great Lakes Classic on the Cheetah pattern. Much discussion is appearing on the message boards, with various amounts of accuracy. So, with the goal of providing accurate information, I went directly to Ric Hamlin, the individual credited for the layout, to get details from him directly. Ric is the Consumer Products Specialist, for the Northwest region, Brunswick Bowling and Billiards. Here is an overview about the RICO layout including when to use the layout, how-to map the bowling ball, how-to alter the layout for a higher track player. I also provide a summary of how the layout was first used and why. This is intended to present a more accurate overview of the RICO for those who want to have a better insight into this useful layout.

When to Use the RICO Layout?
The RICO is best used on more challenging patterns, longer and flatter. Ric Hamlin makes it clear that this layout has bailed-out many pro staffers on patterns such as the Masters and US Open. It is best for those who are speed dominant or have a lower rev rate. Specifically, the layout will get the ball to react sooner on the lane. These type of players tend to get too much length on these type of patterns. In addition, this is a good layout for players with a higher rev rate. For this type of player, the layout helps the ball to react sooner and smooth-out over/under ball reactions. Ric recommends that all tournament players have a ball with this layout in their bowling bag. It is very good to help bowlers get through transitions into the pattern breakdown. I tend to use the layout, as I mentioned above, on tougher patterns,”


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Pin in the palm. Generally, this will be in the center of the grip. So, for most bowlers, the PIN to PAP will fit in the range of 3 ½” to 5 1/2”

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When choosing a bowling ball, make an effort to obtain a ball with a pin distance (PIN to CG) that is close to half the distance of the ring finger span (Ric's recommendation and what he tries to do when using this layout). Top weight should be around 2.5 to 3 oz.

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The CG is placed at an angle 45 degrees from the PAP, through the grip center (for a RH bowler this in the 4:30 position)

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Place a weight hole, 6 ¾” from the grip center. The weight hole will approximately be 1 ¼” X 2 ½”

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In other words, the angle created from the PAP to grip center through CG to weight hole will be 45 degrees.

NOTE: The weight hole is extremely important in this layout. In a bowling ball with a symmetrical core, this will create more asymmetry since the weight hole is drilled into the core 90 degrees from the PIN, or 6 ¾”. So, it will increase the dynamics of the reaction. In a bowling ball with an asymmetrical core, the PSA/MB is placed at a 45 degrees from the grip center. The more asymmetrical the core is, the less a weight hole will have an impact on the motion. But, when adding a weight hole, the amount of asymmetry will be increased. Thus, this will increase the overall reaction of the ball.

Watch the ball reaction as Parker Bohn III throws it in South Carolina, on TV. Parker is throwing this on the Viper pattern (37 feet). Click here to launch the Youtube video In addition, Brad Angelo used this layout in the Finals of the Windy City Classic. This was bowled on the 44 foot Shark pattern. Click here to see this Youtube video. Notice the smooth ball motion from the oil to the dry.

Altering Pin Placement for Higher Track Player:
For higher track players, there is a greater chance of the ball hitting the middle finger. Although Parker Bohn (PAP of 5 & 3/4 over and 1/2 to 3/4 up) has no such issue when using this layout. To adjust, move the Pin up on the center line the amount, the distance, of the vertical PAP coordinate. This should raise the bowtie enough to miss the finger. This should alter the layout enough to avoid flaring over the middle finger. This is particularly important for those with a high lateral PAP (5 ½” and above ½” on the vertical). Moreover, to achieve a similar result, you can move the PIN closer to the PAP (more similar to leverage) or away from the PAP (to create more length).


How the RICO Layout Was Created (in Ric Hamlin’s own words)
“Although I [Ric Hamlin] have been given credit for it's so called design, how it all got started was a few years ago, Brunswick sponsored the Mini Eliminator in Las Vegas. I was part of the tournament support team. We would lay out all the balls, that were being used during the week of competition. At that time, the lane surface at the Orleans had become worn, thus making the lanes play a bit more on the difficult side, as well as a higher amount of conditioner on the lane to compensate for the worn surface. On top of that, the lane was Brunswick Pro Anvil, which is a lower friction surface and tends to create hang anyways. Knowing that this layout generally worked on tighter and/or longer patterns as well as for those that were either speed dominate, rev challenged or just needed reaction help, I used this layout quite a bit with very positive results. One of Brunswick's staffers, Nick Smith, was there and I used this layout for him. He was a higher rev player, but very speed dominate and he was impressed with the reaction, thus nicknaming the layout 'Rico' after me.”
Successfully Used During the 2007-2008 PBA Season
Parker Bohn, Winner Spartanburg Classic, Viper Pattern
Diandra Asbaty, Great Lakes Classic, Used in Qualifying


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Re: Frankie May layout help
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2009, 12:55:46 PM »
I have three Visionary balls that I had drilled with the Rico layout after reading about it on this site.  Since I fall into the low rev range and have a low track, I can generate length, and the Rico was supposed to be good for that and a longer flat pattern.  My house shot went to a 44 ft pattern although it is not flat but I also bowl in a sport league so would be facing the Shark pattern at some point.  Those were my reasons for deciding to try the Rico, so I just had to decide which balls to use and since I have the test staff membership with Visionary and can get the balls at a good price to replace the Rico'd ones if I was not happy with the results, I went with:

1. Visionary Frankie May Gryphon.  This was the first one I had drilled up Rico.  I kept reading about how aggressive this ball was, but with the drilling I had on it, it was either going too long or burning up it's energy too soon - I'm not good at telling the difference, I just knew I had the wrong drilling on it.  

With the Rico, I had a much better reaction with the ball.  Smooth, even hook that allowed me to play the edge of the oil pattern (about ten board) with  good carry for me.  With the Rico, I can't really swing the ball out too far into the dry and expect to see the ball recover, it just does not save up energy for the backend, it expends the energy over a longer part of the lane which is what makes for a smoother reaction.  Best for me to play a more direct line to the pocket.  

2.  Visionary Immortal Solid.  With the success of the FM, I decided to try a NIB Immortal Solid as the second Rico ball.  Reading the reviews on the IS, I was worried that I would see the same problems that I had with the FM if I used one of my normal layouts, so I decided to go Rico with this one.  This is now one of my favorite balls.  Again, nice smooth reaction with great carry for me.  I get a lot of good pin action on lighter hits with this ball.  

3.  Visionary Bronze Centaur AMB.  I chose this ball as the third Rico because I never saw much of a backend reaction with the original drilling that I had on it - another ball with the wrong layout, so I wanted to see what a pearl ball would be like with a Rico.  Since I have had it redrilled with the Rico, I have not used it much.  I did try it on a shorter PBA pattern when most of my other balls were hooking too early and this ball had a nice smooth reaction, not an over-reaction off the dry like I was seeing with the other balls I had been using.  Unfortunately, that was on the last week of that pattern, and I haven't had the chance to use it again.

Overall, I see an even, smooth reaction with the Rico drillings.  I am not sure if it is just me, but I can't swing the ball out too far because it will not recover, which is not really a problem because I have other balls with normal drillings for that.  It does play very nicely if used in a more direct line (8-15 board area) or even on an outside line (3-5 board).  With the pearl, I do see more length but the reaction is still one that is of a smooth even arc, not skid-snappy.  I know what I see may not be what others see, but I hope this information will be of some benefit to someone.



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Re: Frankie May layout help
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2009, 02:35:18 PM »
The strange thing about this thread all my balls that are drilled Rico are stronger overall then others i have . Like my Glad Pearl, First drill was pin up above the ring cg kicked out just about 1''. Ball wouldn't make the turn it just skated past the break point. I was gonna sell it, but then i said lets plug it and try Rico on it. Now that is my fresh med-heavy oil ball. I do have alot of hand but still in all the rico layout i have been using for about 1 1/2 years and i get the same reaction with everything i have tried it on. A smoother, but stronger overall hook.
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Re: Frankie May layout help
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2009, 08:55:40 PM »
Well I have a Rico Drill on my Hole Pounder Pearl, and I plan on doing one on a Hole Pounder Solid. The Pearl is nice and smooth to the pocket.
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Re: Frankie May layout help
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2009, 09:06:10 PM »
Sounds like you guys that have tried the Rico drill on your Visionary gear like the reaction. If the ball comes in with a pin less than 3" I'll probably give it a shot based on what I've read about the drill. What's the worst that could happen? I've heard the FMG is easy to alter the cover so I'll try surface adjustments if I don't like the reaction I get. Just looking to try something new.


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Re: Frankie May layout help
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2009, 10:17:52 PM »
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My house shot went to a 44 ft pattern although it is not flat but I also bowl in a sport league so would be facing the Shark pattern at some point. Those were my reasons for deciding to try the Rico, so I just had to decide which balls to use and since I have the test staff membership with Visionary and can get the balls at a good price to replace the Rico'd ones if I was not happy with the results, I went with:


I think that's the point Gary.

I'd say a lot of layouts work on THS.......Rico drills I think should be used on a condition specific.  Most pro's have one in their arsenal but why would THS bowlers have one to use on a THS?  That does mystify me.
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