Author Topic: Urethane Gargoyle (Read 3220 times)

agroves · « **on:** October 11, 2004, 07:13:29 AM »

Is this one weak or strong on drier lanes??

I have seen a few Visionary balls but never thrown one myself. The Crimson Ex. looked devastating on the backend.

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Andrew
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Strider · « **Reply #1 on:** October 11, 2004, 03:34:56 PM »

I guess it really depends on your definition of dry. What do you mean by being weak or strong on dry lanes? Amount of hook? React strong to the dry? For me, the urethane works better playing down and in, and resin works better when you have more swing room.

It obviously doesn't bounce hard off the dry like resin. For me, the SBG fits nicely between a Storm Blue Hot Flame (weak resin) and plastic. The shiny pearl cover is allergic to oil, so it will skate a mile. I can get a fairly hard arc on drier conditions if I come around the Gargoyle, but I don't carry very well. A more up the back release keeps the ball rolling straighter towards the pocket and a much higher carry percentage.
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agroves · « **Reply #2 on:** October 11, 2004, 03:41:45 PM »

Strider, I guess I am looking for something weaker than resin. I had a Urethane Messenger that I couldn't play down and in on drier conditions. It was actually quite strong, with a strong drilling. I am looking for something the goes straight with an arcy backend that keeps me out of trouble in later 8-9-10 game blocks.

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intergalactic · « **Reply #3 on:** October 11, 2004, 03:44:40 PM »

I'm thinking of getting this gargoyle because I have grown very fond of playing up the first arrow with my spare ball but I'm worried it will be to strong.
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agroves · « **Reply #4 on:** October 11, 2004, 03:47:34 PM »

I wonder what it would be like with the pin above bridge, cg 1/2 positive side, weight hole to negative side weight......hmmmmm.

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JPRLane1 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 11, 2004, 03:48:39 PM »

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intergalactic · « **Reply #6 on:** October 11, 2004, 03:50:29 PM »

What about an old back hammer urethane would it hook more than the gargoyle? Hmmmmmm
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agroves · « **Reply #7 on:** October 11, 2004, 03:54:32 PM »

quote:
What about an old back hammer urethane would it hook more than the gargoyle? Hmmmmmm
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I should just get a gold angle....j/k

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charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** October 11, 2004, 04:00:50 PM »

Guys,

My belief:

The problem is that pearl urethane will still grab the lane earlier than polished, mild resins, when the heads start to dry up or there's really short oil. This is true Unless you have higher balls speeds or 90 degrees rotational axis or some combination thereof.

When you move deeper, inside the 4th arrow, SOLELY because there's not enough oil, a mild pearlized resin, with enough backend (important factor) seems to work best. If you can stay at the 3rd arrow or outside it, at the arrows, and still get proper length on a ball like the Slate Blue, it will give you what you need. The majpr factor in this scenario is having enough energy left in the ball, after it starts hooking, for it to carry decently.

Pearlized urethane's forte is control and weaker backend after it starts to go thru the skid/hook/roll cycle.

I tried my SBG 3 weeks ago and couldn't get it long enough to retain energy. Once I had to go inside the 4th arrow, I couldn't get enough length on it, or have enough left to make that huge turn to the pocket. Had to go to polished resin, with a laydown point at the 39 board. OUCH! Thankfully they have put down serious oil since that time.

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intergalactic · « **Reply #9 on:** October 11, 2004, 04:21:18 PM »

The way I see it and I may be WAY off but that urethane is like particle in that both are always trying to grab the lane on the other hand reactive wants to skid then hook.
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agroves · « **Reply #10 on:** October 11, 2004, 06:57:19 PM »

yes, we are.....

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louie · « **Reply #11 on:** October 11, 2004, 08:42:32 PM »

I have a SBG and it is a nice ball, but it isn't as mild as you might think. On really hooking conditions the SBG goes long and then really hooks a ton on the backend. Carry is very good, but sometimes I just can't get deep enough on the lane. I like it best when the heads are dry and some oil has carried down. I can play a bit straighter with the ball and pound the pocket all day. I actually find my Barbed Wire to be straighter than the SBG on most hooking conditions. The Barbed wire won't hit with carrydown where the SBG will. It all depends on what kind of dry we're talking about and how you roll the ball.
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I_Bowl4Money · « **Reply #12 on:** October 12, 2004, 08:38:03 AM »

I've read all the posts and I'm really interested to know how you all have your Slates drilled. You talk about it having an agressive or violent backend...please let me know so I may comment further....I may be able to add a few tid-bits that may help in achieving the results you're looking for with this ball.

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charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** October 12, 2004, 12:32:07 PM »

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I've read all the posts and I'm really interested to know how you all have your Slates drilled. You talk about it having an agressive or violent backend...please let me know so I may comment further....I may be able to add a few tid-bits that may help in achieving the results you're looking for with this ball.

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I, for one, certainy never mentioned a violent backend. My observation so far is that, on dryish light oil lanes, it hooks earlier than a few of my resin balls. It has less backend than they do, but that is the good part of its control nature. That is also the reason I hesitate to use it from deeper inside angles. I'm thinking maybe I shuld try it on light to medium-light oil instead of waiting for drying conditions.

Mine has the pin about 1" above, 1/2" to the right of the ring finger with CG just above the center of the grip. This is roughly a 4 x 5 drilling for me with about 1 oz finger & top weight.
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louie · « **Reply #14 on:** October 12, 2004, 03:39:35 PM »

Mine has the pin just above and right of ring finger. Cg in span. It's long and strong for me on DRY. I'm a no thumber so everything hooks a lot for me. I like the ball, but find that the Barbed Wire covers less boards on dry lanes.
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