Post by: normy on December 29, 2009, 02:20:31 PM
I throw a dimension for heavy a gravity shift for medium oily, and a ogre SS for light. Plus I have a t road pearl for a ball I go to when other angels are exhausted.
How does Visionary compete with a major ball company like STorm? I know they have good pieces as all companies do, but what sets them apart? If I were to buy my next piece how can you say I should buy another ball besides an Invasion or a Reign solid? Where is the hype of this company? Sure they have particle pearls and urethanes, so who are you guys? Are you a specialty ball company mainly? Or do you compete for the major ball releases as well?
Im not trying to insult I just have not figured out Visionary yet, and I want an excuse to switch.
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Post by: scotts33 on December 29, 2009, 10:42:11 PM
Stay with Storm there is no big deal have fun with what you have.
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Post by: gsback on December 30, 2009, 04:25:40 AM
I met Jason Wonders (VP Advertising) a couple years ago and talk with him at least 2-3 times a week. I wanted to meet him more out of respect and my love for Faball equipment way back when....and he took the time to answer anything and everything I had about his old company. That started the friendship.
From a company standpoint, I don''t think anyone competes. Smaller companies tend to cater a little more to the bowler since they are more in touch with what''s going on. I find that refreshing....and think it''s one of the big reasons other bowlers really like them.
As for equipment....I feel matchup is the best, at least for me. I am not one who likes over-reaction and most of what they make I don''t find to over-react. They''ve got some strong stuff with the New Breeds, Gladiators and some of the older stuff such as the Gryphons and Immortals....and of course the Particle Centaurs.....but they''ve got smooth rolling equipment a plenty!!
And overall, I am one who feels I''ve reaped the rewards of what they produce. I''ve been bowling for 11 years or so now and had come close to that elusive 300 game a couple times. Switched over to all Visionary 2 years ago and have since thrown 5 300 games and 1 800 series....and have 2 other honor scores of 297 and 298 with Visionary equipment.
That''s some of my reasoning for why I think they are the best! I could go on.....but think I put enough.
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Post by: lmfcoa on December 30, 2009, 09:03:30 AM
Moving forward though I''m in the bandwagon with gsback. The Wonder family (ie Visionary) has a long history in the bowling world. It''s a brand I can respect and trust. Furthermore being a small company I think they have a greater attention to detail and are happier to help.
I''ve spent a lot of time talking to Jason about layouts for my gear, cores, coverstock why they did this or that and he has always been extremely helpful. I don''t think you can get that from the major guys.
Will a Visionary ball turn you into the Big-Nasty of course not, but neither will any other ball out there. I do know though that after switching to Visionary this year I''ve rolled my first sanctioned 300 game as well as a 700 series.
So all in all they are great people, making a great product and it fits my game.
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Post by: scotts33 on December 30, 2009, 11:02:29 AM
Just an FYI.....it's Wonders not Wonder.
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Post by: lmfcoa on December 30, 2009, 11:19:56 AM
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Just an FYI.....it's Wonders not Wonder.
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I just can't type. I have it spelled correctly in contact list LOL
Post by: gsback on December 30, 2009, 01:55:51 PM
Second thing to touch on. Visionary, though smaller than the others, competes with the big boys to catch your eyes.....just like any other ball manufacturer does. While they may not have the sales of Ebonite or Storm, it's not because of the selection of balls. I see it because of them being a little more obscure and because they don't produce a new ball to replace an existing one every 6 months.
Also, I am sure that pro shops have issues because Visionary balls don't sell. Yeah....ok. And storm balls do?? I realize they do, but the pro shop is the one that also has the responsibility to try to sell a ball to the person that comes in looking for help. So it's not because the balls don't sell themselves....but because the pro shops don't take the time to understand what the balls do and how they compare.
As for comparing.....I see them as being just as good as anything else out there. Fact is my average is consistently higher than I was 2 years ago....by 6-7 pins. Even on a THS I have seen an average over 225 once after 15 or so weeks....and that was a summer league. The last 2 years I've been close to or over 230 after 15 or so weeks of bowling.
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Post by: lenstanles703 on December 30, 2009, 02:14:09 PM
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Post by: normy on December 30, 2009, 04:35:22 PM
Post by: gsback on December 31, 2009, 05:51:05 AM
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Thanks for all the replies guys. So Basically Visionary is as good as any other companies equipment you just have to match up with the piece. But what sets them apart is thier customer service?
Matchup is always key!! As others have said, and I may not have stated it but do agree.....Visionary stuff just doesn't overreact like everything else out there.
Customer service is what sets them above everyone else.
Quality of the equipment is above all others!! Blems are done because of slight color that most people wouldn't even notice.....but Jason won't let the balls go out as firsts. I know others have seconds/blems/x-outs, but I believe their quality checks go above anyone else because they are smaller and feel better about what they let out of the factory.
Performance.....I match up with them. But I did as well with the Faball stuff they were making before the Baltimore people took over. I matched up very well with the Hi-Revs and the SledgeHammer....and averaged more than decent. And those balls are still great for a THS. But they still don't compete to what VBP makes now!!
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Post by: dizzyfugu on December 31, 2009, 06:15:59 AM
a) These are durable balls. All I had so far (and still have) show no sign of ball death tracking out is also no big issue. No cracks.
b) You get what the ball is advertised and designed for. Read the ball descriptions, and you get a VERY good impression of what the specific piece is capable of or intended for at OOB finish. No marketing blah, no bling, just useful stuff. IMHO makes creating an arsenal quite easy. And nice communication policy
Highest personal credibility of any manufacturer out there at the moment for me.c) The balls are rather conservative in design. This is not meant to sound negative - I am a big fan of less itchy, high maintenance equipment, and VBP balls so far match up pretty well with my game and needs. Surfaces are also easy to tune.
For what it's worth, if you are curious about these balls, I'd just advise you give them a try. Might be a bit different from Storm equipment, but worthe the money, and you will probably get more "mileage" out of the ball.
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Post by: gsback on December 31, 2009, 10:19:46 AM
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These are durable balls. All I had so far (and still have) show no sign of ball death tracking out is also no big issue. No cracks.
Great point Thomas!! Forgot about that as well.
I saw the same positive with Faball equipment!! I had a Sledge for 3 plus years that had many games....and many drills!!
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on December 31, 2009, 12:53:26 PM
I have been using Visionary since 1999 and I am still using one of the first balls I bought, a Blue Warlock, so longevity of their equipment is very good. I have changed surfaces so many times on that Blue Warlock for either experimentation or for using on my THS and sport leagues and it is still going strong. Visionary also makes some balls to fill certain roles, so if they say a ball is only for heavy oil, believe them.
I use balls from a lot of different companies and I like Storm too, but so far, my high game and my high series have come with two Visionary balls, so I may be a bit biased.
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Post by: A_P_K on December 31, 2009, 01:44:48 PM
I've thrown many many brands and I've found VBP to double the standard shell thickness even if the ball had filler inside.
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Post by: six pack on December 31, 2009, 02:12:50 PM
I just picked up an Ogre SS used and I'm VERY impressed with it.something I always wanted to try was to go with one line of bowling balls that are made for different conditions and the Ogre line is it.Particle,Solid,Strong Pearl,Skid Snap and now Urethane.if you match up well with the core then you have a whole arsenal that you can use your favorite lay out on and your good for years.off hand I can't think of any other manufacture that has put out such a line as the ogres.I also have the Blurple but will be a little while before I can get some plug work done on it.
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Post by: scotts33 on January 01, 2010, 01:10:47 PM
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I just picked up an Ogre SS used and I'm VERY impressed with it.something I always wanted to try was to go with one line of bowling balls that are made for different conditions and the Ogre line is it.Particle,Solid,Strong Pearl,Skid Snap and now Urethane.if you match up well with the core then you have a whole arsenal that you can use your favorite lay out on and your good for years.off hand I can't think of any other manufacture that has put out such a line as the ogres.I also have the Blurple but will be a little while before I can get some plug work done on it.
Steve,
I would agree about the Ogre line. Do remember with low differential balls this does promote less ability to bring back missed shots to the outside on flatter patterns.
Two issues that are great with most Visionary balls is that they are basically most symmetrical so perfect releases (as in asymmetrical) for the ball to read the pattern correctly are minimized. Plus the Ogre line is inexpensive compared to many lines being manufactured more bang for the buck and as you said from solid particle for heavier down to the OU which can be anything from a spare ball to lighter.
This is the perfect line to build a arsenal out of...start with the Ogre Pearl for mediums add and OU for a spare lighter ball...add a Particle for heavier then an SS or a B/G Centaur depending on what you want for ball motion and you'd have 3-4 balls for pretty much everything.
My point in the original post I made is that too many folks are looking for something that another manufacturer has covered....I can't say anything bad about Storm. Storm/RG manufacturers good stuff. I just like Visionary also or better.
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