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Brian Green

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visionary first impression
« on: April 22, 2008, 01:24:30 PM »
hey all...
     i just recently joined the visionary test staff, and after having thrown my new balls for about 3 games  all i can say is i am really shocked that visionary doesnt have a following like some of the bigger companies.......

 VBP has got to be the most underrated bowling baLL company i have ever thrown...   For the membership i chose to get the Gladiator, Ogre Solid, AMB Pearl and the Frankie May Gryphon..........

so far i can say that the gladiator and ogre solid are the best 1-2 punch i have ever thrown and when they start to break down the amb pearl is a very good step down,  i have 2 shots on the frankie may baLL so its tough to gauge how it will roll...........


 anyways...  there will be full length reviews once i throw the balls a lil bit more.....
             but i wanted to say thanx to vbp for "showing me the light"
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Re: visionary first impression
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2008, 09:48:34 PM »
i drilled it label leverage..........  drilled it thatway because it was slated to be a strong pearl  and it was weaker than expected  but it filled a huge hole in my bag for the lighter side of oil.........  i will probably drill another one strong.............
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Re: visionary first impression
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2008, 10:27:19 PM »
Just curious, when you say "AMB pearl" are you referring to the Bronze Centaur or the Black Immortal?  

Either way, I can't really picture either being too tame for anyone, but my Bronze is definitely able to go loooong, and fills a nice hole in the "lighter side" department for me as well.
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Re: visionary first impression
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2008, 08:21:03 AM »
yak merchant and dropptonhed,

Brian didn't say it was weak, but "weaker". Balls like the Gladiator and Ogre solid will hook more and handle more oil than any pearl. As strong as the core of the AMB pearl is (the Immortal Pearl is usually called that.), the cover is not as strong as the Ogre pearl, in my opinion.

Just because you "can't really picture either being too tame for anyone" doesn't mean it's tame for Brian, but, more importantly, he doesn't throw the ball the way you do, nor did he drill it the way you did (Probably), nor does he bowl on your oil pattern or lane surface. There are so many variables involved in these situations.

This reminds of a thread I saw yesterday about the Lanemasters STing, one the flippiest non-pearl resins ever made. One guy, posting his impressions, said it was very smooth for him. I must assume this smoothness, NOT a basic characteristic of this ball, must have bene a result of both his release and the oil pattern/lane surface on which he was using it. A newbie sees this and grabs a hold of it like his life depended on it. He asked about this smoothness because that he wants in a ball and the guy says specifically, "FOr me it was smooth." The newbie says "great, that's what I need." Now if this newbie has anywhere near a normal or average release and ball speed, he is going to be greatly disappointed, because this ball flips and backends like no body's business, in the 99% case.

Would he listen to me when I "contradict" the original poster? Of course not. He read what he wanted to read and only that.

Brian posted that RELATIVE TO HIS GLADIATOR AND OGRE solid, that the AMB pearl is weaker. He didn't say it was weak; it is not weak. But it is a goto ball form those strong, DULL solids.

Sorry for the rant. No insult intended, but please remember that every ball is strong or weak relative to some other ball, and reaction is dependent on a LARGE number of factors, making everyone's perception of a ball slightly to largely different.
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Re: visionary first impression
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2008, 08:40:48 AM »
when i say amb pearl  i meant the bronze centaur.......   this ball fills a gap between my ogre ss (that i have had for a few months) and my gladiator  so when the gladiator is too much and the ogre ss isnt enough (usually when theres a lot of carrydown) the bronze centaur is at its best  ................


thanx charlest for chiming in.......  at least someone understands what i was sayin
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Re: visionary first impression
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2008, 09:08:13 AM »
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Sorry for the rant. No insult intended, but please remember that every ball is strong or weak relative to some other ball, and reaction is dependent on a LARGE number of factors, making everyone's perception of a ball slightly to largely different.
 


Well said....factors aren't the same for every player.  What works for you may not work for me and vicea versa.  It's why stats. in profile are always a good starting point and then add to what lane conditions you may be playing on generally.

BTW....Mr. Green welcome to Visionary Test Staff.....good choice IMO.
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Re: visionary first impression
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2008, 11:23:35 AM »
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Listen I hear what you guys are saying,  but I'm pretty sure with 3 games on the ball it isn't broken in.  First game I threw mine I thought it was a giant POS.  Slid and hit the 3 pin in the face.  


That has happened to more than one ball I have owned, especially Dyno-Thane Soakers, but also others.

Maybe Brian will change his opinion. Time will tell.

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Re: visionary first impression
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2008, 11:30:29 AM »
I have to agree Brian,  I threw for the first time last night a Blue Slate gargoyle(pearl urethane) that is the perfect piece i was looking for  to replace my XXXL for spares and Dry lanes.. Perfect fit..

For me  More controllable that the xxxl and defintely more predictable...

the hit is amazing...  amazing....  makes me wish i had thouhgt more of the rest of the line... but i am Thrilled with my Fury and Fury pearl..


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Re: visionary first impression
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2008, 07:59:23 PM »
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yak merchant and dropptonhed,

Brian didn't say it was weak, but "weaker". Balls like the Gladiator and Ogre solid will hook more and handle more oil than any pearl. As strong as the core of the AMB pearl is (the Immortal Pearl is usually called that.), the cover is not as strong as the Ogre pearl, in my opinion.

Just because you "can't really picture either being too tame for anyone" doesn't mean it's tame for Brian, but, more importantly, he doesn't throw the ball the way you do, nor did he drill it the way you did (Probably), nor does he bowl on your oil pattern or lane surface. There are so many variables involved in these situations.


I'm not sure you understood the context of what was written.  I did state "I can't picture either (Immortal Pearl or Bronze Centaur) being too tame for anyone."  What I was stating was that, when compared to other pearl balls on the market (otherwise one would be comparing apples and oranges) these are the strongest I've thrown in years. This was in direct response to Brian's comment of "it was slated to be a strong pearl and it was weaker than expected". Contradictory to your above quote Charles, this does in fact mean that it's weaker than he anticipated.  My statement was "I cannot see either ball being too tame for anyone" ("too" in this context is as follows: [adv] excessively) tame (tame here referring to a lack of track flare, not necessarily total overall boards). When stating this, I also implied that this was when thrown on the appropriate lane condition.  If this is not the case, then it is being used inappropriately and has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the ball is "tame".   To recap, in case all the parentheses confused you, what I am saying is compared to other pearl balls on the market, drilled with the same layout and thrown on the same condition, neither ball should be truely defined as tame.  If you would have noticed in my original reply, I also stated that I had the ability to successfully play these balls in lighter oil.  I was not contradicting his assessment, nor saying that it wasn't a good idea.  Since I take what are considered "stronger pearls" for lighter oil, I obviously grasp the concept that different ball speeds and rev rates ultimately decide one's perception of a ball's characteristics.  

In response to "AMB pearl (the Immortal Pearl is usually called that)", you are only half correct.  The Immortal Pearl is in fact called that, in the "Immortal Pearl" threads.  The Bronze Centaur is called that in "Centaur" threads. (And by others who understand that the Immortal Core is different than the AMB Centaur core).  Calling either of those only the "AMB Pearl" is incomplete as both balls fit that description.  Without verifying with the poster which ball he or she is referring to, one can only speculate which ball was implied (as you did incorrectly).  

I hope this helps clarify my previous reply.  Thank you for your time and consideration.



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Re: visionary first impression
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2008, 09:33:00 PM »
scotts33,  thanx for the reply and welcoming me to the forum.....  i cna tell ya i am extremely happy with my decision to jump ship  from the previous stuff i was throwin.....


 let me attempt to clarify somethings about the bronze centaur.....    I didnt have any idea what to expect with this particular ball..... i was really intrigued by the differential to give it a try  and see how long and angular this ball was.........

          I drilled it label leverage because i was afraid of doing anything with a lot of offshift......   again.....  i had no clue what this ball was going to do. i had no expectations at all and when i first threw this ball i was shellshocked  because of the massive amount of length and the hitting power.....  i mean i hit the 4 pin with authority (i'm a lefty) from the third arrow out to 3board.......      after i adjusted my line with the ball i found that i could play around 5 and not cross over...... what i like about the ball, and i dont regret drilling it label, is the effortless length i get with the ball  and the hitting power.........  

hope i somewhat cleared up what i was trying to say
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