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thebowlingicon

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Visionary????
« on: June 23, 2009, 01:57:02 PM »
I am thinking about going to Visionary but have never thrown it before. I currently throw a variety of stuff. I switched to Hammer last year and it was a total fiasco. I have some questions:

Do they manufacture there own stuff?
What brand is it most like?

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Re: Visionary????
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2009, 11:34:23 PM »
Yes they manufacture their own. Who are they like? .....uhm.....Not sure if they are like anyone...

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J_w73

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Re: Visionary????
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2009, 01:08:28 AM »
What didn't you like about hammer?? That could give some insight if Visionary will work better for you..

what hammer balls did you throw???
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Re: Visionary????
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2009, 01:57:21 AM »
I threw the psycho and the razyr. The razyr I kept but the psycho was a 145.00 paper weight. I throw about 15 mph and usually about 15-10 or straight up 6-9 as the shot dictates. I like the comment they are not like anyone else.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2009, 02:13:12 AM »
These are very solid balls, durable. IMHO not as "state of the art" as major manufacturer's high end stuff, rather "old school". But that's definitively nothing wrong, and what I personayll like most is the fact that any of the 3 VBP balls I owned so far did exactly as it was advertised - no hype, just damn good products!

I'd always recommend them, I have been positively surprised, and I tried a lot of brand before.
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Re: Visionary????
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2009, 06:41:23 AM »
Thebowlingicon,

So you want to know more about Visionary!!  Good choice!!

If you do a little looking around, you will notice that the forum has a dedicated following of bowlers who love the stuff Visionary produces.  And if you go to their webpage, www.visionarybowling.com, you can snoop around and you’ll run across the following eventually, “Our two main beliefs at Visionary have always been to produce bowling balls that work for the general public - not just the pros, and to release new balls that fill a performance void in our line such as hook, length, back end reaction, etc”.  There you have what Visionary is all about!!
You are not going to see a ball of the month club in terms of releases….nor are you going to see a release of 3 different sets of balls 4 times a year…..no.  They have balls that have been going strong for over 3 years now that are still offered.  When the Immortal line was banned by the USBC due to the numbers the ball produces (the ball is still for sale mind you!!) they came up with a new lineup.  Point is they have function….and keep it that way.

I threw Hammer before….that’s all I liked.  I wasn’t too high on the Ebonite stuff, but I loved the Blade and Diesel lineups.  What I really liked though, was the Faball stuff….the original Hammer stuff.  And for your information, the family that created the Faball stuff is the same family that produces Visionary.  Point is…..if you like aggressive….they have aggressive.  But if you like control….there is plenty of that as well.  It all depends on what your cup of tea is.

To help you out, I’m adding a link to another thread.  This should help you out in your decision about Visionary balls and possibly what to look for in terms of reaction.  The information on the balls is about 1/2 way down and posted by irishluck821.


http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=205312&ForumID=15&CategoryID=2

In your thread though, it seems you play a down and in shot as well as a small belly hook.  Not sure what you have for hand in the ball but that would help out a little.  I’ve thrown a lot of the new stuff ranging from the New Breeds to some of the older stuff like the Gargoyles.  In my opinion….you really can’t go wrong.

If you want aggressive and still want to play your lines….the New Breeds will do that.  If you want control for the same lines, you go to something like a Violet Gargoyle, which to me is another version of the Hammer Hi-Rev Offset….my personal favorite.  You just have to research a little and then….pick your poison.  It’s really that simple.

And, no FIGJAM….but I am one of the people that is a perfect example of what Visionary has done for my game.  I never hit the elusive 300….had a couple 299s, but in one year have thrown 4 300 games with 4 different Visionary balls.  In my opinion….they simply work great!!


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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2009, 06:43:05 AM »
One other point to add......the company isn't about bowling balls only.  They are about service....and I think in talking to Jason and Betsy, you will find no better in the industry, by far!!

They all take the time to work with you in terms of questions...issues...anything.  And quality is above anything else I've seen before.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2009, 07:21:43 AM »
a great company the prices are a little higher because they dont use filler like other  companies good starting 3 is ogre pearl, immortal solid, frankie may.
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Re: Visionary????
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2009, 09:20:46 AM »
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I threw the psycho and the razyr. The razyr I kept but the psycho was a 145.00 paper weight. I throw about 15 mph and usually about 15-10 or straight up 6-9 as the shot dictates. I like the comment they are not like anyone else.
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ok.. well that doesn't tell why you didn't like them..  Why did you keep the razyr?.. what did you like about it?  What didn't you like about the psycho..

If you liked the razyr.. right off the bat I'm thinking the lanes you bowl on are medium-dry to dry.. and with you liking the 15 - 10 line I would imagine your psycho is burning up too much and the ball is (depending on ball speed and revs)  hooking too early or if it is getting down the lane it has nothing left for the backend and is hitting at a bad angle and not carrying..

that is just a guess since you didn't give any information....
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Re: Visionary????
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2009, 11:29:29 AM »
Couple things.....

Powermachine, I think the prices are fair.  Depends on where you are buying and how though.  Once you satisfy the number of free balls for the test staff, balls are available for 1/2 off the retail price.

I would think that for a ball like the Ogre, and knowing the price shipped, when you add the drilling and all, the price is not a bad price at all for a mid line ball.  Same really goes for the top of the line balls.

I do agree with J_w73.  Knowing information about what you liked and didn't like would be better....and knowing a little about the lanes would help too.  At least recommendations can be more easily made.
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Re: Visionary????
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2009, 02:32:01 PM »
I suggest you try one,an Ogre would be a good start.  Try the Ogre Pearl or the Ogre SS. Test staff is worth the money!
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Re: Visionary????
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2009, 02:34:07 PM »
Sorry for not providing a little more info. I am currently about a 210 avg bowler. I'm right handed and throw the ball about 15-16mph. I prefer to play down and in but I'll swing the ball if I have to. I don't rev up the ball. As far as the hammer stuff. I kept the Razyr as a drier lane ball and I don't throw it often. The psycho seemed to hit very soft and the carry was not what I expected. If I missed my mark (wide) there seemed to be no recovery. I currently have in my arsenal:
Ebonite Gamebreaker (1st ball out of the bag) Solid
Roto Grip RS1 Pearl
Roto Grip Venus Pearl Particle
Morich WMB Matte Particle
Hammer Razyr Pearl


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Re: Visionary????
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2009, 03:56:08 PM »
thebowlingicon,

Depending on what you are looking for....my suggestions are based on my playing the lanes in the same manner.

NB solid will handle oil for you and you'll be able to swing the ball.
Gladiator Pearl is a great ball for me on down and in.
Ogre Pearl is a great ball on the same line and I'll venture a little right as well.
G-3 is yet another that will play the line.

I am sure that there are more....but those are my favs.  NB solid I don't use that much out there, but when it's heavier oil I will.
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Re: Visionary????
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2009, 07:38:31 PM »
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OGRE PEARL hands down.....You won't be sorry.
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absolutely agree. Very strong choice. Should be able to use on your "go to" shot. Stronger backend choice could be the New Breed Pearl. One of these 2 are the first out of the bag for me. Good Luck!

PS: Video of both of these balls are up on www.videoballreviews.com
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thebowlingicon

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Re: Visionary????
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2009, 03:21:03 PM »
I do have one more question. What does the balls wind up costing if you have the 50% off as a test staff member. I know that it doesn't include drilling just wondering.
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