also another question I'm looking to try 2 balls from visionary for med-heavy and also lighter conditions I don't really see heavy shots very much at all so I will keep more of my stuff aimed at those conditions anyway I was looking at the samurai and the raven invasion what would some of your suggestions be based on experiences with visionary. I'm a med speed abt 15 mph and med revs most of my stuff is pin up drillings.Thanks in advance
Wish I could help you, but I am not good at that. I know a bowler who was using a Classic and I thought a Samurai would be a good go-to ball for him when the lanes broke down (I was thinking more length), to follow the Classic. He bought a Samurai and says that it is the strongest ball he owns, stronger than his two Storms, so he can't use it most times. I was off the mark there.
Best I can do is to let you know that you can leave a message at Visionary and see what they recommend for you. Give them as much info about you as you can (style, speed, rev rate, RH/LH, PAP, lane conditions you bowl on, etc).
https://www.visionarybowling.com/contact