Author Topic: Whats new in the Future? (Read 4476 times)

TWOHAND834 · « **on:** April 28, 2010, 06:34:19 AM »

Topic says it all. Anybody know of what is new down the road for VBP? It may just be me, but I would not mind seeing something that will compete with the Slingshots and Tornados. Something that retails in the $109-119 area. I know what has been said in the past. But something to fit under the Ogre Line. Not sure if that is possible. But, would be cool to see.
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lenstanles703 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 28, 2010, 02:37:44 PM »

Last thing I heard was Jason was thinking about working on a top of the line big hook ball.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 29, 2010, 09:40:08 AM »

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Last thing I heard was Jason was thinking about working on a top of the line big hook ball.

Correct working on a more oil absorbing hooking cover. It goes slow Jason has said.

Only ball that for me fits under the Ogre line is a Blue/Green Centaur which is a proven winner. If, I had to have ONLY one ball on a league house condition it would be a Blue/Green Centaur.
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MC · « **Reply #3 on:** April 29, 2010, 01:09:05 PM »

Scott,

I think you mean they are working on a cover to compete against the "soaker" coverstocks without absorbing the oil.
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gsback · « **Reply #4 on:** April 30, 2010, 05:04:39 AM »

I know Jason posed that question on Facebook. But here's the dilemma as I see it.

Visionary made the React-A-Tack coverstock and if I remember correctly, the cover is still used today, maybe with a little modification. But the point is, if they make a ball that can create as much friction as a ball soaking up oil.....and get close to the same hook rating, does it serve any benefit to make the soaker cover other than to say they have it??

Look at the Centaur Particle....same premise!! Was it a huge seller??

The entry level will be interesting. I remember some of the costs for what some of the pro shops in the area pay for that type of a ball.....but that's cheap. And to make a large amount of them, which I believe you'd truly have to do, requires some machinery. However.....the benefit is that perhaps more people would have a Visionary ball in their hands!!

Based on my past dealings with TCBA members.....sadly....people don't know a good thing when they see it.
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 30, 2010, 07:18:23 AM »

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I know Jason posed that question on Facebook. But here's the dilemma as I see it.

Visionary made the React-A-Tack coverstock and if I remember correctly, the cover is still used today, maybe with a little modification. But the point is, if they make a ball that can create as much friction as a ball soaking up oil.....and get close to the same hook rating, does it serve any benefit to make the soaker cover other than to say they have it??

Look at the Centaur Particle....same premise!! Was it a huge seller??

The entry level will be interesting. I remember some of the costs for what some of the pro shops in the area pay for that type of a ball.....but that's cheap. And to make a large amount of them, which I believe you'd truly have to do, requires some machinery. However.....the benefit is that perhaps more people would have a Visionary ball in their hands!!

Based on my past dealings with TCBA members.....sadly....people don't know a good thing when they see it.
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I agree 100%. I know they have the B/G Centaur. BUT....that said, it is a $190.00 dry lane ball. We know it is a good ball. But the general public wont spend $200 for dry lanes. All I am saying is that it would be cool to see VBP compete with the likes of Storm and Ebonite and Brunswick with something entry level. ALOT of pro shops tend to sell more entry level stuff than higher end stuff, especially with the ball/bag/shoe packages they have. It would just be cool to see them come out with something entry level in 2-3 different colors like the Tornados, Slingshots, Tropical Storms.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2010, 10:01:14 AM »

Yeah that's what I meant Mike.

BTW....I wonder if that's obtainable? I had two Motiv balls the first ones out SX-1 and TX-1 both with oil repelling covers they stunk on carry down. Motiv shelved the idea of using the cover anymore and have gone to more soaking covers.

Low end entry levels balls like Gary said....you'd need to move a lot to make them pay. Since, Visionary is a minor brand and not known as well and aren't set up for huge amounts of equipment produced I some how doubt they will bring out a low end seller. I could be wrong but look at the companies who have brought out low end.

Ogre line for me is low enough hook now that I have gotten my dang ball speed up.

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A_P_K · « **Reply #7 on:** May 02, 2010, 09:41:49 PM »

Dang I''d love to see the dry lanes you guys bowl on if you can manage to use the BGC.

Even at 4000ab the BGC was a medium to light oil ball at best even the Glad LE is too strong for "dry".

Personally I''d like to see something like the Violet Gargoyle again but that''s just me...a nice mild solid resin very adjustable to be very versatile.
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #8 on:** May 03, 2010, 04:01:22 AM »

Personally, I would not see a need for a "Big Hooker" in the VBP line-up. The only gap in the oily end of lane condition spectrum COULD be a solid medium+ load particle ball, maybe in the New Breed line. I would not think that an aggro reactive ball would sell well.

Anyway, an entry level piece could make sense - but for big sales it better look good, or be offered in various color combinations. Most entry level pieces are IMHO bought though visual appeal. I'd see a market gap for a high RG/higher differential piece (like the discontinued Power Groove), which offers beyond beginner utility also options for more advanced bowlers? But fitting such a thing under the Ogres would also be tough, I think...
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gsback · « **Reply #9 on:** May 03, 2010, 04:46:22 AM »

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But fitting such a thing under the Ogres would also be tough, I think...

That's the biggest thing I see right there. I believe the Ogre line would be around a $150 ball for the public....and at that price, that's unreal for the strength of the ball and what you can do with it. Creating a ball that fits under it might just be something that doesn't make the company look good.

Possibly......
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anorexicwonder · « **Reply #10 on:** May 03, 2010, 05:39:57 AM »

How about a plastic-shelled Ogre? (Something to compete with Lane #1's XXXL)
Priced about $15 less than the Urethane Ogre, I'd buy 2 or 3.

piquabowling · « **Reply #11 on:** May 04, 2010, 10:56:12 AM »

I have not talked to Jason but I would like to see something below the Orge Line here is your problem. How many do you need to sell to make a profit. I agree it has to be 2 differnet or 3 different color combos and I just think its just not there. I think the Orge Ureathane ball is terrific and I think they do need one more hooking ball and a plastic ball would be good I really think that would sell. Guys don't think Jason don't have something up his sleeve they make a wonderful product and they have a terrific support staff in us bowlers. Go Visionary

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #12 on:** May 07, 2010, 08:19:06 AM »

Personally, I'd like a solid particle ball, maybe a medium small particle or light large particle load, with the Mohawk core inside - rollier and more arcing than the NIB NBPP.
I think this would make a very versatile control piece, something like the PK18-based Warp Zone a couple of years ago. Open surface, and you have a good oiler, and polished a control ball on carrydown and wet/dry conditions, and it is a good choice for speed-dominant players who needt that extra traction.
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bowlingaddiction · « **Reply #13 on:** May 19, 2010, 03:27:48 PM »

i would like to see a new line instead of coming with another new breed or ogre or what not. I would like to be a solid and a pearl of the new line whatever it may be. not sure what i would like to hear it called. maybe a kintaur, a dragon, pegasus, or phoenix etc. as long as it isnt gay like a unicorn, sea monster, or somethin
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larry mc · « **Reply #14 on:** May 19, 2010, 03:37:13 PM »

the kraken would be cool

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