Author Topic: JAT Open and Farm- Scratch and Handicap? (Read 2837 times)

daveyamo · « **on:** March 27, 2006, 12:13:18 PM »

I see a lot of my juniors here on the boards so I'll post this for debate:

What about changing the JAT Open Divison to 190 and over, and the Farm Club to 189 and under 90% of 190 Handicap?

Here are the reasons:

We are not getting enough bowlers total to support generous prize funds. With lineage out of control, even our new sponsors will not help out above and beyond what we collect. More bowlers supports better prize funds.

By having a Handicap event there will be more opportunity for younger up and coming kids to get tournament experience. The more bowlers you have, the more better bowlers you develop and the stronger the Open Division will be in the future.

Just a thought for the upcoming season... and, what about brackets??

Let's hear it...
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Edited on 3/27/2006 9:13 PM

Silencer · « **Reply #1 on:** March 27, 2006, 10:29:45 PM »

Wow you really do have a name on here Yamo. I think everyone that is already in Open will not reject this, because all of us will be happy if we can cut more bowlers and have a better prize fund. So I think it mainly comes down to how all of the Farm kids feel about it.

For brackets we should do something along the lines that JBT does with 2 dollar brackets, 15 goes to the winner and 1 to the prize pool. Also could do high game pots for qualy and stuff like that.
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Silencer · « **Reply #2 on:** March 28, 2006, 12:28:14 AM »

first or second week of may
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BowlingJew015 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 28, 2006, 01:52:50 PM »

I think it's a great idea, however, like Matt said, 195 might be a better number because there are always going to be those kids who get extremely frustrated and give up, not to say they can't win a title, but the odds of a 190 Average winning a title against a full field of JAT bowlers isn't all that easy. I believe 195 would at least reduce the chance of this happening and keep the JAT open division with a good strong field. I also think it would be a good idea to let Farm bowlers move up on their own if they believe they are good enough, because sometimes a book average doesn't reflect a persons bowling ability. Just my two cents

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BowlingJew015 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 28, 2006, 03:23:24 PM »

Exactly, I think the best way to do it is to let the Kids decide on their own which division they would like to bowl in should they be averaging lower than the 190 or 195 cap and if they do opt to bowl farm, once they achieve a scratch average of 190 or 195 for 21 (probably need more) games or more, they should be automatically moved up to the open/scratch divison. This will ensure that each division will have a fair level of competition and that each divison will have enough entries to keep JAT running.
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Platinum Bowler · « **Reply #5 on:** March 28, 2006, 09:21:21 PM »

I think....Yamo's the MAN! haha...

Anyways, I think a 190 average and up for the Open Div. is fine. I mean, honestly, sure a 190-some average bowler wont be in the competiton most of the time with the "bigger guns", but a 190-some bowler is very capable of having a great day here and there, and can compete... After a lot of exposure to all the great bowlers, that bowler will get better, and get that much-needed experience. With the Farm Club going to handicap...not really sure about it. We changed the Novice Div. in the JST to handicap this year, and it has not gotten bigger at all. JBT seems to get a lot of handicap bowlers, and I am not really sure why, but those bowlers only seem to be at those events.

In my opinion, changing things are not really going to matter. JAT has already changed to the PBA elimination-like format, and many bowlers like it, but has entries grown? Junior bowling in SoCal just seems to be slimming I guess you could say. I mean, think about it, back in the old days, the so-called "Golden Days" of SoCal jr. bowling, with all the big names that are now out winning PBA titles, USBC Queens, huge Amateur events, Team USA members, etc. were close to aging out of juniors, there were some bowlers that you could see that would be that new blood to replace them. Now that some of these new blood bowlers are close to aging out, IMO I do not really see a new crop of bowlers to raise up and take that throne. I mean I think there are some, but not like before. Oh well, maybe just a phase, hopefully just a phase....Good luck...
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daveyamo · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2006, 06:28:50 PM »

Wow.. didn't expect that many responses.. thanks for the props. It's because of my days of bowling juniors that I'm still around running things today. I've been bowling for 27 years and the 5 years of Farm Club, JAT, and Stars were the best days of bowling in my life.. and I wasn't even good. As a matter of fact, I never even won a JAT title. Go figure...

Bowling here in So. Cal. is definitely on the downslide. I hate to see it happen but with all the houses closing and the cost of equipment and lineage through the roof it's not hard to see why. However, without juniors there will be no more adult bowlers and without adult bowlers the leagues, especially the scratch leagues, will just fade away...

JBT gets 50 or so in the handicap division. That was the basis of my thoughts. I was thinking a 140 minimum and a 189 maximum in the Farm Club and 190 and over in the Open. Could work...

As for the "golden days" of youth bowling here, that was my time. We would have 40-50 in each club and making the top-16 cut was tough. I can remember lots of Sunday afternoons watching match play...

Part of the downfall of junior bowling is how easy the game has gotten. Look around your junior leagues at how many people have shot 300. Now how many of those people are "good bowlers". Exactly. When someone had the front 9 at JAT when I bowled the entire tournament would stop and all the bowlers would gather around to watch the 10th frame. We would have maybe 4 or 5 300's a season in both clubs and that's 100 bowlers a week. Now I carry an entire folder of USBC award forms to each event...

Here's my final word.. when I was 19 I practiced 4 times a week. I averaged 184 in GLAJAS and I was middle of the sheet. No resin. The most hooking ball I owned was an Ebonite Thunderbolt. Now, I barely ever practice and averaged 219 over the summer. Joke...

Come out and bowl the Grand Yamo Challenge. None of you "hot shots" will go plus. Guaranteed...
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Platinum Bowler · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2006, 06:48:57 PM »

Yeah Yamo you are right about most of it. I wish you the best of luck with it all...By the way, I take it another Yamo Challenge is coming up? Just wondering when it is? All the previous ones have been scheduled on days I couldnt make it, but have always wanted to try it.

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tenten · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2006, 07:18:05 PM »

Hey Yamo... I will have the youth sponsor application to you by the sunday. I think having a Handicap divison would be great for trying to build JAT again. Oh those were the days.. LOL

ShermDawg · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2006, 01:59:02 PM »

i believe making farm a handicap divison possiblity would be great for entries... but i do not think junior bowling in So. Cal. is dying... its just the kids or the parents that wont make the drive to bowl a quality tournament... i knw gas prices have raised but guess what their proably never going to go below $2.00 again from what i see... i just think people are also lazy (B-Car) and wont come to JAT events :-D.... we try to have teh schedule be based around JST so more people can bowl and what happens... nothing really changes... its like look at all the people that bowled the Jat Doubles tournament.. half of those people came sepcifically for that tournament but will not bowl JAT regularly... i think its dumb

i am going adult next season.... but i want JAT to keep going and for kids to have the same experience that i had... and its sad that lineage has gotten so out fo control because you would think centers would wanna give back to the youth but still are just trying to make the almighty dollar... its funny how more JAT bowlers will go bowl JST than JSt bowlers bowl JAT... i dont see much difference... I'm not saying JST is bad because i love that club.. but think about it... you get to bowl at different centers from JST... and yeah they may be a drive but for example people out here in VENTURA and Moorpark and Simi drive hours just to go bowl... and its funny if we had a JAT out this way or something people far out there wont make the drive... its sad... JBT will be out in Canoga and i guarantee that people will drive for that... because the prize fund is better... hmm... if more people drove to JAT and bowled there would be better prize funds... it is just hypocritical... and i may complain now and again that some drives are far... but come on i still go dont i... i drove to vegas on a saturday night to bowl a jbt the next morning... why wont people do that for JAT... JAT u get a different format from other things... and i think it would be great to get a JAT big enough like it used to to cut to top 16 regularly... maybe even higher... that would be awesome and make the PBA format even more fun and exciting... its great that there are so many choices of tournament clubs and honestly JAT is like a family and its awesome... i just dont understand and probably never will understand why more people dont bowl... ive said it before but i will always remember being younger and bowling with the elite junior bowlers and it was one of the best experiences of my life...

i think JAt should ultimately make farm possibly handicap to gain more entries... because i dont know what will get open more entries... maybe more incentives like at the invatational how there will be a ball of choice up for grabs for the first place winner... if that happened more often that would be incentive... or a new ball when an honor score is shot.. something of that nature like JST does... or an added scholarship for shooting a 300 like at JBT.... something to make it look more interesting to other juniors who hear about JAT but dont wanna bowl.... and i say make the handicap 195 and under... 190 is too low in my mind...

anyways thats just what i think... and i am personally gonna keep bowling through august for JAT and spend my last days as a junior there with the people i have bowling with for years and with the director that i have grown up with...

not to mention going to hawaii with everyone

YAMO WERE GOING OUT AND DRINKIN UP A STORM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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daveyamo · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2006, 09:07:33 PM »

Man... seems I remember the Shermdog when he was like 12... time flies

First round is on me my friend...

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