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TheDude

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Gambling...
« on: September 04, 2004, 12:04:44 PM »
as clearly stated gambling is not allowed in youth bowling. But admit it! we've probably all played friends for drinks(cokes hopefully if you are not legal age in your region), and do you see that as gambling?

yes, or no, and why?
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dirtbikebowler

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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2004, 09:49:36 PM »
no i see that as just messing around to see who can beat who.

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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2004, 10:27:30 PM »
gambling is also illegal in most states, yet adult leagues still allow gambling... don't forget that!
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JOE FALCO

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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2004, 10:38:40 PM »
GAMBLING: to stake or risk money in the hope of great gain ... RISK: to expose to the chance of loss ..

My interpretation is: If you are using excess money to WAGER then there is NO RISK .. so it is not GAMBLING! Explain EXCESS MONEY .. I would say money that is not REQUIRED to pay for living EXPENSES.

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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2004, 12:52:16 AM »
Interesting insight about that joe.

seems the only acceptable gambling is government run most of the time.

But of course our sport is based primarily on the competition of two gentlemen(or fine ladies), and to make things more interesting introducing wagers.

So even youth now gamble when we bowl. Not for money of course, lol. but i have played a friend for a pair of pants once....and won! LOL got me a nice pair of brand new tommy hilfigure jeans.
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TheDude

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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2004, 04:40:28 AM »
I am no longer under YABA rules. I bowl in canada so now the CTF rules apply(which mirror the old yaba and abc/wibc rules)

but i think the exact standard is anything else than 50$.
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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2004, 04:48:55 AM »
In New York state, high school bowlers may not even participate in "Cosmic or Moonlight" bowling where any prizes are distributed. They are not allowed to even "substitute" in a league where prize funds are distributed (other than scholarships).

Two seasons past, a high school bowler was "banished" when it was found that he had "subbed" one week on his fathers team. Even though he was not accepting any monies, just his participation one time in that league made him ineligible for the remainder of his Senior year.

Of course I have seen quite a few "side bets" between high school bowlers while following my 2 sons. Mostly for a soda, or such, between friends, to "enhance the competition"
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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2004, 10:09:11 AM »
If it is true that we can not compete for anything else but Scholarship money then how does Pepsi give you like $500 for a free trip to Gold if you win. They don't even ask how much it is they just send you what they think it is going to be in a check. That should be illegel then. Just wondering????
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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2004, 06:02:18 PM »
MTFD24, that is why YABA rules are so strict about youth not bowling for any monetary awards.  Their goal is to protect the youths' amature status for eligibility in all sports programs.

YABA bowlers caught subbing or pacing in a league where cash awards are given, can be suspended permamently from YABA.  Quite a few years ago, we had several juniors lose YABA status for bowling pot games with the adults.
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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2004, 09:22:37 PM »
This is getting interesting replies from the adults as well so i'm gonna move it into the misc forum as well.
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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2004, 12:52:48 AM »
I have bet for more.
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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2004, 01:32:49 PM »
I think this is a great discussion. To me, I believe all bowling in competition is gambling. Your putting money up in a tournament for a cash prize. YABA should just accept that fact and change there rules. Again, my opinion.

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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2004, 01:48:55 PM »
Since "youth bowlers" (why isn't it "young bowlers"?) already bowl for monetary gain (am I the only one who sees the word "money" in "scholarship money"?), it is the height of hypocrisy for anyone to ban a kid from YABA competition because he bowled in a league that pays you now, rather than later.
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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2004, 04:24:45 PM »
Seadive, scholarship money generally goes directly to the school.  When it doesn't, the check is written for reimbursement only after sufficient documentation has been received.  Prize money from a league is just that money that can be used in any way, not just for college.  

If the youth bowler does not go on to college or trade school and does not use the money as directed by the scholarship program, the money goes back to the organization that originally issued the scholarship.
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Re: Gambling...
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2004, 05:43:14 AM »
Another problem also is that alot of Youth Bowlers want to stay junior because the fun you have in junior tournaments is like no other, with all your friends your age, traveling all over the country, getting loud at tournaments, just hanging out. The thing is that alot of the people that feel that way might not be going to college so they want cash, but don't want to go adult because they dont want to lose all that fun and being able to bowl with their friends and traveling with them. So then they go adult, don't go to college, all that money they had earned just goes to the state fund where probably all the directors take that money and go on vacation of their own
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