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tgp3

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Jr. Gold Changes 07
« on: April 06, 2006, 12:19:09 PM »
What are the opinions of everyone about the changes to Jr. Gold for Buffalo?  Brief summary for those who didn't see the press release yet:
4 Days of qualifying...bowl 3 days, one off day.
Cut to top 96 guys and 48 girls who return for 6 more games (day not stated)
Cut to top 32 guys and 32 girls who bowl 6 more games
End of Tournament...No match play
Top 1:7 Cash

Basically, less games, more time at location, no match play, and more people...thoughts?

 

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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2006, 08:30:49 PM »
WOW....and you saw this where?
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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2006, 08:51:02 PM »
Press release sent to all Jr. Gold Tournament Directors...

CHANGES WILL HELP MEET DEMAND
FOR USBC JUNIOR GOLD CHAMPIONSHIPS
 
GREENDALE, Wis. - Due to increased demand, the United States Bowling Congress Junior Gold Championships will undergo several changes for the 2007 event, including a new schedule that will allow for even more participants.
 
With a sell-out field already slated for the 2006 event in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., the 2007 tournament in Buffalo, N.Y., will accommodate nearly 300 more bowlers.
 
Instead of having three consecutive days of qualifying, the three six-game blocks will be spread out over four days, giving each bowler one off day during the qualifying period. The change allows for 1,728 participants in Buffalo versus 1,458 in Fort Lauderdale.
 
"It's very important that we continue to let this event grow," USBC Chief Tournament Officer Roseann Kuhn said. "This schedule change allows us to accommodate even more of the top youth bowlers in the country."
 
One out of every seven entrants will receive a scholarship with the top 96 boys and 48 girls advancing from qualifying to bowl six more games before the field is cut to the top 32 boys and 32 girls who will bowl a final six games.
 
The top five boys and girls will earn automatic spots on USBC Junior Team USA. The National Selection Committee will choose three more boys and girls from the final 32 to round out Junior Team USA.
 
AMF Thruway Lanes will serve as the host center for the 2007 event. Qualifying will also take place at Transit Lanes and AMF Airport Lanes.
 
Held on USBC Sport Bowling lane conditions, the Junior Gold Championships, which is an individual competition, is the largest youth event in the country.
 
USBC Youth members who average 175 or better (boys) or 165 or better (girls) and who are members of the USBC Junior Gold program are eligible to qualify to advance to the Championships.
 
United States Bowling Congress
The United States Bowling Congress, as the national governing body, ensures the integrity and protects the future of the sport, provides programs and services and enhances the bowling experience.
 
USBC officially launched Jan. 1, 2005, as an organization serving nearly three million adult and youth bowlers in the United States. It resulted from the merger of the American Bowling Congress, Women's International Bowling Congress, Young American Bowling Alliance and USA Bowling.
 
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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2006, 09:16:38 PM »
Although I like the idea of giving away more spots, expanding qualifying is not a good idea in my opinion.

What if one day for some reason or another scores are either much higher or much lower than the other days? How will people who didn't bowl that day feel? I have really enjoyed the last 2 years at Junior Gold because it really feels like a professional tournament. Everything is done very professionally and even if you aren't bowling great you feel like your part of the biggest, most competitive youth tournament in the world. By splitting up the qualifying it is taking the tournament one step closer to being just another Pepsi tournament.

Also, limiting the cut to the top 96 is VERY restricting. I realize that if you're not in the top 96 after 18 you probably don't have much of a shot anyway, but only taking about 1 out of every 9 bowlers to the SEMI finals is being extremely tight. In the past you could have a couple of bad games and still make it in with a 185 average or so. Now I can garauntee that it will take at least a 190 or above average to make the first cut. Good luck on the conditions they lay down out there. If you bowl a low low game (130 or below), good luck coming back from that.

Anyway, the change isn't anything major. The tournament will still be the best youth tournament out there, but I believe the current format is much better.

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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2006, 09:36:59 PM »
haha... that is the dumbest change ive eer seen... USBC arises and bowling starts going downhill... start taking away awards from juniors... and now changing tournament formats to make them not worth the trip... if were gonna fly across teh country to bowl a tournament make it a lot of games and worth our while... and also more games shows who has more stamina and can make the right moves during transition....

top 96 guys... theres an even better ratio... as more people start to bowl gold its just gonna get bigger if you would allow it... 96 i dont think is enough.... anot not having matchplay is dumb... where is the fun in that... matchplay is what makes a tournament.... the one on one competition is what people most like to watch and to bowl

i dont get it

glad im turnin after this summer cuz wont have to deal with this lame change

as years go on the things that go on for juniors always seem to become more lame... years ago things were great.... next year... no more cool format for gold... no more 300/800 rings for juniors FOR SOME LAME REASON... honestly there is no concrete reason to change anything

matchplay makes competitive bowling.... and thats that
and how is the integrity being upheld when the sheer competitiveness is being dropped down.... just my opinion  but i know others agree
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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2006, 10:07:29 PM »
Ya I agree with Mason. The format for Gold last year was great, I liked it. The new changes that they're going to make are, to put it nicely, pretty lame. I loved watching match play last year, it was really exciting. Taking away match play at Gold, where's the excitement? Where's the fun? Sure it'll still be a good tournament, but not as exciting of a format. I say keep it the way it is. And cut to top 96 after how many games of qualifying? 6 a day for 3 days still? That's cuttin' it REALLY close. Last year in Indy there were 1,045 entrants for guys, and top 149 made it to semis? That sounds reasonable. What they're saying for Buffalo is that there's going to be a max of 1,728 bowlers and cut to top 96? Uhhhh...doesn't sound too thrilling to me...
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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2006, 11:24:44 PM »
Hola,

again, don't even start me on this one..... yet.

I'll probably have a lot to say very soon.  You can make of it what you will.

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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2006, 11:57:13 PM »
If they are using more then 3 bowling alleys, lets say 4 total. And you only bowl qualifying at 3, that is NOT FAIR. Yea maybe 2 houses might both be putting out the long Oil shot, but it will play different depending on what kind of lanes they are on. Also even with the same kind of lanes they can play different depending how old the lanes are and other variables. So as that of an idea, I think it's stupid, I will be adult, so oh well, gold is going to get alot of complaints I think.
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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2006, 01:04:37 AM »
This is a question to Mr. French, in the tournaments you bowled for team USA, were they mainly tournaments with alot of MP or just alot of regular games with total pins winning? If alot of the tournaments were matchplay, then they really need to have matchplay in the process of getting the team to see how they respond in that kind of environment.
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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2006, 07:28:58 AM »
Wow...I just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one who whole heartedly disagreed with the changes before I said anything...here are my thoughts.  Expenses:Everyone is already forced into being in the host city for two non-tournament days (Sat/Sun) as it is, and now they are adding a third day to that.  An extra day with nothing to do (meaning no bowling...it is a bowling tournament) seems quite un-cost effective.  I'm assuming what this does is keep everyone in town until Thursday, instead of Wednesday.  The format: Less games, no match play, smaller cut.  I'm almost ok with the smaller cut simply b/c of the fact that they cut the number of games there, and it'd be really hard for anyone lower thatn 96th to make a run in 6.  Now...why the y cut it to 6 games? That one is beyond me.  To me, the real tournament has always started on Thursday, as that is when the majority of moves were made (12 in one day with a constantly changing pattern), same with match play.  More Kids: Why do we even bother having to "qualify" anymore, if they want to keep increasing and increasing the number of spots awarded?  Why not just let everyone buy in, save the tournament directors the hassle, if USBC just wants to continually have more and more and more people?  Another thing is that with the field in dallas, which i believe was around 1100, there were probably about 500-800 kids there, that did not have a chance at making Junior Team (the whole point of the tournament...or so I , and apparently a lot of others thought), and we keep increasing that number each year.  That's not to say that every person there that doesn't have a chance gets in the way, there are plenty of people there for experiance that are extremely respectful to those who are competing to make cut and team.  Unfortunatly, there are also many who are not.  Somewhere its gonna have to stop in size, USBC just doesn't want to admit it.  The average requirements are too low, raise them to 190 or so, that'll limit the field nicely, and make qualfying matter!

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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2006, 01:05:30 PM »
i think gold should be urgently moved from florida to vegas... less of a trip... and no worry about hurricanes in your back swing :-D
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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2006, 02:03:32 PM »
One other thought:

As tgp3 said, now we have 3 days where we have to be there, but there is no actual bowling competition (minus practice, etc.). What are people going to do in Buffalo? I know that every city has it's attractions, but honestly 3 days in Buffalo in the middle of the summer doesn't sound very fun. I too am going adult so I don't need to worry about it, but I recall last summer I had ALOT of boring down time in Indianapolis. Good luck finding stuff to do (other than Niagra Falls) in Buffalo...

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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2006, 03:18:42 PM »
Don't HAVE to bowl additional games??? That sounds like making the cut is such a chore...and that once there nobody wants to be bowling anymore.  The reality is that if you make cut, chances are unless your leading...you want as much time as possible to catch that leader...still don't like the change in number of games...or the day off...

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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2006, 04:07:08 PM »
WTF is the USBC thinking? Oh yeah......$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I could write a series of novels on how dumb this is, but I dont feel like writing anything about it. All I can say like many others have, is that I am sure glad this is my final year...
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Re: Jr. Gold Changes 07
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2006, 08:59:57 PM »
Wow...I don't even know where to start...

I still don't think that making the changes to the 2007 event is all that great. I mean, sure, Team USA events don't have match play, but why does that mean that Jr Gold shouldn't have match play? Each event is run differently and has its own positive and negative qualities about it, am I right? Why make every event just like the other? Out here in the southwest, JBT directers change up the format every so often, so as to give us change, and the bowlers not have to bowl the same format every single week. And doesn't the Tour do matchplay? YES! Isn't that what most junior bowlers who are dedicated to the sport want to do after X amount of years, go out on the Tour? YES! Match play is good experience for everyone. It shows how solid your game is, how you can come up clutch when you need to, and your ability to handle the pressure. In the end, I think match play is better for juniors, it helps us grow, in some way or another. However, if USBC wants to make every event just like the other...well, that's on them. However, I'm sure they'll receieve their share of complaints on it.

PS - I vote that Vegas be the host of the 2008 event! =] "TheKidsAreMyJob", there are plenty of houses out here in Vegas with 45+ lanes, and that are willing to support junior events. Who else votes Vegas? =D
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