Post by: justanotherlefty805 on June 19, 2006, 07:52:13 AM
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Post by: El Capitán on June 19, 2006, 04:06:36 PM
He's full of crap.
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More Spares = 200 avg.
More Spares Plus Strikes = 220 avg.
Post by: mrbowlingnut on June 19, 2006, 04:30:31 PM
The usbc is the joke not mushtare who played the system by resubmiting more 900's when he knew the first one was going to be shot down.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 19, 2006, 08:06:44 PM
If we are to place fault, it should be on the USBC delegates (mostly the ones representing youth bowlers) who failed to overturn the current rules because they did not want to take away pre-bowling for the youth leagues or have league officers monitor pre-bowling matches. While this would not impact the two recently approved 900s, it leaves the doors wide open for more.
There should be many more 900s bowled while the opportunity to do so is still in place. Perhaps if a couple hundred were bowled in the upcoming months, the USBC delegates would reconsider their votes - but having met some of them, probably not. The sad thing is that a 900 series has forever been cheapened by the doubts that have been cast by the last couple.
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Post by: Lane1fanatic on June 20, 2006, 12:52:48 AM
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Post by: Tweener92 on June 20, 2006, 03:34:55 AM
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yeah, i'd love to do that. all need is support of about 4,000,000 league bowlers
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Post by: onerevaway on June 20, 2006, 11:45:32 AM
Post by: Lane1fanatic on June 20, 2006, 05:12:14 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on June 20, 2006, 07:29:55 PM
I could be wrong but read his profile. He admires difficult condition bowling while I am one that enjoys guys skying on higher scoring condition.
WHY? Mostly because like most people I admire that which I have more trouble on! Wide open conditions...I have not gotten my game where I want to take advantage of them. What others consider hard...often I seem to move up on those condtitions.
On the other hand the comments by him could easily be repeated in sincerity by me!
I believe he did if not all...most of all of the 900s listed...including a couple of practice ones! I believe his total of practice ones and real ones is at least 4 if not the claimed 5!
For the following reasons.
1. He is a physical powerhouse!
2. HE throws a very powerful 16 pound ball(I do believe they carry better.
3. His center is a pretty high scoring center.
4. He has other high approved series under regular play conditions(852) approved and many other 800s.
5. I believe he on this easy condition and with his previous 800s started to condition himself that he was going to throw 900...he got out of his own way and did it!
I am a great believer in the power of the mind in achieving things others cannot conceive of themselves doing! My own bowling and occassional accomplishments are an example of how a person in intense period of training and mental focus can accomplish things that most would belief cannot be done...at least by that person!
Often I have watched in amazement talented people believe themselves not capable or not worthy go out and do things to sabatoge themselves at critical times...for example Colin Montgomerie at this weeks US Open championship.
One of the greatest ball strikers of the last 15 years hits an absolute bonehead shot that he won't hit again for 20 weeks! To lose the US open.
The power of the mind...Robert Mushtare put it to use for a short while.
After all the hubub the discomfort of shooting 900s and the jealousy it creates may prevent him from doing it again.
As to people going to his center and bowling 900s or prebowling 900s at your own center won't happen for 999 out of 1000 people!
Oh maybe a Jeff CArter could go there and do it! Much like when guys go out on the senior tour in golf...they think they should win and they do...they they immediately start to fizzle quickly! The retrun to their normal state of mind!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I've had this position since the first 900 (eventually rejected) was announced! I've taken all the insults before and for over a year...you can bother but it won't change my mind!
PPS I've been waiting for the I'm going to go to his center and "kick his butt on the lanes" and "I'm going to go to his center and prebowl a 900" and the "I'm going to prebowl at my center and shoot 900 crowd" to do something. Not a one can find their keys...not a one has prebowled a 900!
PPPS I also am impressed that Robert Mushtare is not shirking from showing up Anywhere...proams....next Junior Gold....he clearly is sending a message..."I have nothing to hide"! I commend him!
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Post by: DP3 on June 20, 2006, 08:33:20 PM
Part of me actually believes he shot the initial 900, just in practice, then his parents and himself tried everything possible to get it through sanctioning. When the first one didn't work....well, as the saying goes:
"If at first you don't succeed....try try again"...and now this mess...
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Post by: LuckyLefty on June 20, 2006, 08:45:27 PM
Jimmy Keeth was my teammate for a year in a local league. To my knowledge he is still the most powerful bowler EVER if counting revs is the game! But I also view power in a different way.
I love loft speed and a direct hard line! With sufficient revs...I would guess Robert Musthtare in the just about 400 revs club. Perfect when combined with his loft, speed, 16 pound ball, and physical strength!
REGards,
Luckylefty
PS I now bowl in an area where we have the #2 bowler on the all time 300 list!
He is a tremendous physical talent and has bowled an 868 series! I believe from what I saw on his video...Robert Mushtare.. = more striking power!
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Post by: DP3 on June 20, 2006, 09:00:01 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on June 20, 2006, 09:03:31 PM
Just said he did what a lot of other bowlers with similar talent for scoring on high scoring conditions...stop themselves from doing!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 20, 2006, 10:21:44 PM
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Post by: ShermDawg on June 21, 2006, 02:33:57 AM
the kid mine as well sit there at pine planes and just not bowl anywhere else the rest of his life because he will never be taken seriously... and why not just sit there and shoot 10 more 900's before the end of the year...
obviously he must be doing something minorly right i would guess if he could through 36 in a row more than the twice... but those two were approved... just shows the downfall of USBC...
USBC is kinda like George Bush becoming president.... they come into effect and everything goes to hell.... weird
P.S. people should go flyout to this alley and sub and show how ridulous easy the bowling alley is.. because honestly the place must have some crazy area to play with for someone to have the area and luck to shoot "more than two 900 series" and thats just plain common sense
thats all i gotta say really... i will be down watchin squad 5 more than likely to watch my buddy mark french... i hope mushtare does well at gold... for his sake... cuz if he doesnt he will just prove everyone right
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Post by: El Capitán on June 21, 2006, 04:46:09 AM
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More Spares = 200 avg.
More Spares Plus Strikes = 220 avg.
Post by: LuckyLefty on June 21, 2006, 09:46:51 AM
WHere are yours...Sherm?
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS Robert Mushtare on the other hand is going other places to bowl...pro ams...upcoming Junior gold?
Have you seen his video?
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Post by: Ragnar on June 21, 2006, 09:52:56 AM
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"aroyskrikn zoln dir di oygn fun kop"
Post by: LuckyLefty on June 21, 2006, 09:54:54 AM
Latest video and story from his home town...clips are from first 900(rejected) story. Interview is new!
Loft speed and carry! (http://"http://wwnytv.net/72k/full-story.asp?uid=11599&area=sports")
The fact that his home town newscaster is excited...this is a very small town..of course they are proud!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I find him humble and well adjusted in his interviews.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on June 21, 2006, 10:53:00 AM
Never before had I ever seen a pro golfer hit the ball worse! If I had been playing next to him I guarantee if you did not know our names you would have thought I was the pro and he was my caddie and I somehow got him an invitation to play! 20 of my friends could have hit the ball better!
We were all commenting that we could beat him...we should think about turning pro...blah blah blah! This type of worthless blather happens all the time.
We didn't follow him all the way...but when he came in to post his score which we expected to be about 83 to 87! He posted a 71! Wha???? We realized WE would have shot 83 to 87 if we hit it that WAY!
2 years later he won the US Open hitting all 18 greens in regulation at Merion!
Never mistake the following 3 things.
A great pro on a tough condition, a great carrying amateur on a wide open condition, actual performance from predicted performance.
Robert Mushtare = 2 900 rings actual performance!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: ShermDawg on June 21, 2006, 11:20:43 AM
i dont need to make bowling seem like the easiest thing in the world and shoot two 900's to start killing the integrity of the sport... its just ridiculous.... but like i said he did it and that must be great...
and also u have to agree that the place MUST BE BEYOND WALLED... someone who is shooting two 900's and off the wall 850's , the place cannot be all that hard... hard should not even be in the same sentence as pine planes, New York....
and i thought Sierra in Fresno was easy... sheesh... this is just once again... ERRONEOUS
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Post by: ShermDawg on June 21, 2006, 11:22:49 AM
Luckylefty... so when are u starting the official fan club with decoder rings? u gonna go to gold and carry his bags for him too? just curious :-P
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Post by: LuckyLefty on June 21, 2006, 11:27:18 AM
I'm a fan of anyone who can break mental barriers!
I would love to watch you bowl also! Great accomplishments!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Ragnar on June 21, 2006, 11:28:32 AM
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Post by: Nails on June 21, 2006, 11:28:49 AM
I don't often defend LL, but I agree with one thing he says. Lots of people keep saying they would destroy his house shot. Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't, but until you do, put a lid on it. Maybe I could tear up Rev-O's house, maybe not. Maybe Rev-O matches up with it 10 times better than I would.
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Post by: Lane1fanatic on June 21, 2006, 11:58:36 AM
Post by: onerevaway on June 21, 2006, 12:44:59 PM
Post by: Nails on June 21, 2006, 12:56:23 PM
And all you people shooting your mouths off on this forum better be posting your real name and scores at jog so we can see how you fare against the infamous Mushtare.
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Post by: onerevaway on June 21, 2006, 12:57:14 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on June 21, 2006, 02:21:30 PM
Also...bowled with a guy who stumbled in one night....and missed warmup.
He shot 65 thru first 5 frames. Teammate put up a double wall at end of 5 and said come on now!.
He then went sheet sheet sheet! Shot 815. Stayed and turned alley's on and threw the 5 more...36 in a row!
He was not as powerful as Mushtare. He did have multiple 300s 800s and 2 300s in a row!
He almost shot one with us going 289 300. Jimmy Keeth (even more powerful was on our team) he never did it with us!
He was not real good on sport shot! What he was...was a believer in himself! That when hot...he couldn't be stopped!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: onerevaway on June 21, 2006, 03:13:01 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on June 21, 2006, 05:32:06 PM
John Daly a great golfer on wide open conditions has never done well at a US open...but this doesn't mean he is not a very good golfer. For years Hale Irwin could not contend in golf if the score was like -10 or better...but on a US open course he was awesome.
Neither was really better than the other...just different.
Few golfers combined the skill and talent of a Jack Nicklaus or Tiger Woods to both tear up wide open scoring condition courses and ALSO to contend when even par was the score.
Embarrassed if Robert Mustare doesn't do well on JOG...why should I be.
I'm only excited about the fact that he broke the mental barrier and shot 900 at least twice. I believe he is wonderful open condition high scoring condition bowler! bravo!
To me the lesson is...it can be done!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS the myspace thing...I doubt it is him...we had a user here who named himself Robert Mushtare and he talked all sorts of smack...things that if you've watched Robert Mushtare's interviews...I doubt he would ever do!
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Post by: Stan on June 21, 2006, 05:57:22 PM
This kid is a joke and I think USBC totally blew it.
I do not care if he used a 16lb ball or a 100lb ball, the scores are bogus.
Maybe it is time for us to burn our USBC membership cards.
He knows when he is going to leave a 10 pin so he makes the adjustment before he does. Give me a break !!!!
One last point - You can threw the perfect ball and not get a strike as we all know. Just have one or so bad racks and see what you leave. Have not seen too many centers that do not give you a bad rack from time to time.
USBC, its too late to change the rules. You blew it !!!!!
Post by: onerevaway on June 21, 2006, 06:17:21 PM
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Post by: onerevaway on June 23, 2006, 01:11:21 AM
Post by: calibowler on June 23, 2006, 01:25:35 AM
anyways.... good luck to everyone!!
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 23, 2006, 03:24:54 AM
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Post by: onerevaway on June 23, 2006, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on June 23, 2006, 06:30:18 PM
You would like to try to make him quit??
Sad!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS he did what?
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Post by: nd300 on June 23, 2006, 06:52:02 PM
Everyone said the same thing in another way when Tiger destroyed Augusta,then went almost a year before he started winning with any consistency.We all know he was re-tooling his swing,but there was talk that he was a one shot wonder,like so many golfers who have only won one single major in their otherwise good careers.
Let's reserve the jeers we all want to throw in this kid's face until he proves the he's a house hack that can't handle JOG or other tough tourney conditions,OR...........
Congratulate him IF he wins some of the tournewys he bowls in on tougher shots away from his THS.
Comments???????????????????????????
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Post by: DP3 on June 24, 2006, 12:02:21 AM
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Post by: onerevaway on June 24, 2006, 01:08:44 AM
Post by: LuckyLefty on June 24, 2006, 02:15:22 PM
Yet Robert Mushtare is outhere for the world to see.
I personally have thrown on many sport shots and WTC shots and my performance on them shows nothing about my ability to throw honor scores on difficult conditions! Nothing. Whereas when I have had the right equipment on sport shots I have usually averaged higher than I do on regular league shots! Strange...but true(the vagaries of my type of ball roll). I HAVE no honor scores...but I do have a profile!
If a person is throwing on a sport shot for the first time they can be a great bowler on a top hat and shoot 399! EAsy!
REcently I went to a tournamment that acted like a sport shot with out of bounds outside of 10 and very little hold area. On my pair were all the best bowlers in my area! Mega numbers of honor scores and 300s ...800s and mucho money at megabucks tournaments! I ended up high on the pair at about 585!
Do they all suck? No they are great and some are nationally recognized megabuck performers. Am I better? Of course..not!
Sport shot performance indicates NOTHING about the ability or veracity of throwing high scores on top hat conditions!
You just don't seem to get it!
REgards,
Luckylefty
Ps Onerevaway...your statements make NO SENSE!
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Post by: LuckyLefty on June 24, 2006, 02:44:53 PM
The cheaters I've met in bowling and confronted...several, have all buckled and walked away quickly and not shown up again!
You wouldn't set and take questions and hire lawyers etc to back you up...the hassle is not worth it!
Much like Jeff Carter had to spend the last few years almost apologizing for being so outstanding in league (I know there were witnesses every night)...he has now turned the page and ready to show the pro tour what he can really do!
GO JEFF.
Bowlers as a group do NOT really like success...take it from a guy who's spent a lot of time in other sports. If this happened in golf he would not be so hassled!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS Much of the little success I have had in bowling came because I refused to fall into the negative thinking that permeates bowling and instead would typically only associate socially with the highest stata of bowling achievers(lucky for me...they were around!)
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Post by: onerevaway on June 24, 2006, 03:44:49 PM
Post by: onerevaway on June 24, 2006, 03:48:40 PM
Post by: Nails on June 24, 2006, 04:00:06 PM
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Post by: calibowler on June 24, 2006, 07:52:24 PM
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The thing I think that's the funniest of all, is how you guys flat out tell him he cheated and blame him, even though you don't have a damn clue what happened.
Now honestly, I think it's bull as well, but there is NOTHING you or any of us are going to be able to do about it, so get over it.. seriously, or if you can't take the fact that it's done and happened, I guess you should find a new sport / game to be a part of. None of us can do a damn thing, I've never heard so many people flat out blame someone and tell them they are a liar, when they don't know the person, and didn't see what happened, they listen to the rumors and hear the stories, make an assumption, and pretend it's the truth... get over yourselves, and just let it go. It may not be right if he did cheat, but for the last time, what are you gonna do about it? Just let it go... move on with yourself.. just my opinion.
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Very true... there is nothing we can do about it because they have been approved... they wont take them back (unless they found evidence of cheating). Like I said before, if he proves us wrong at JOG, great... if not, then I'm sure another topic will be started to taunt him more. (I am NOT advising this...) I would like to say this to the bowlers who are bowling JOG... Don't go around and make him feel more uncomfortable than Im sure he's already going to feel... Let him bowl, and try to prove us wrong... and if he does well, CONGRATULATE him... not harass him... please... Show good sportsmanship, and represent yourself and your state with more pride than that, please. BOWL GREAT EVERYONE!!
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Post by: LuckyLefty on June 25, 2006, 01:05:44 AM
Equipment...league equipment...or go long and snap hard equipment is a prescription for disaster! And comfort zone of a new area of playing and standing is paramount...not repeating shots at any greater rate that on league.
Of course I am not an area bowler and seem to have little area on league conditions to strike. So when I go on a sport condition I bring balls that are even weaker(good midlane...not much backend) the shot supplies that!
My carry often seems to go UP from leagues I've bowled in(as Steve Wilson the wonderful pro bowler told me...it's not about striking...there is tons of backend on these tough shots..it's about controlling the midlane and hitting the pocket) ...and then all I have to do is make sure I don't push into the out of bounds. And be comfortable in playing the small inside swing line that is the preferred shot...I am.
The bowlers I see Suffer on first exposure are those that bring go long snap hard equipment. Bowlers with high speed that are not comfortable playing inside.
AND bowlers who are used to driving their ball hard out into the dry outside of 10(and there is none!).
However to get with a good driller and then practice and develop a game on these types of shots often can be accomplished in only a few practice sessions.
A wonderful regional champion I know in the JOG competition area this year is conducting training sessions for his junior bowlers on these shots and has set up his bowlers with a set of differently drilled balls for these conditions.
His bowlers are doing marvelously after just a few sessions and quite a few of them expect to be very competitive just because of the few weeks they have been training on these shots!
I believe it is an equipment thing...and a familiarity thing...and nothing more! Clearly mindset and sparemaking attitudes are very important!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS Sorry...JOG doesn't prove or disprove that one has the game to throw ultra high 800 sets...It proves one is familiar with the different environment ONLY!
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Post by: calibowler on June 25, 2006, 01:11:03 AM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on June 25, 2006, 01:52:30 AM
Who are you?
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: DP3 on June 25, 2006, 02:15:34 AM
What I am getting at is, Mr. Mushtare will always be associated with controversy not because of the fact that his 900(s) were sanctioned, but for the mere multitude of 300/900 games he claims with no substantial proof or other accolades to go with besides these.
What do all of the other 900 bowlers have in common?
-All successful amateur careers
-TOURNAMENT WINS!
-Proof of superior performance on tougher conditions
-Collegiate Accolades, scratch titles, big tournament experience
-Hundreds of people that can vouch for their credibility
What does Robert Mushtare have?
-a Claim of 3 sanctioned 900s and 2 practice 900s
-the support of his immediate family
-2 newclips of him pitching the ball into the track for strike after strike with many flawed mechanics
There are Junior bowlers in this kid's own state that have bowled with him and can't even vouch for him as being a credible player. Not knocking his game because in these days anyone with that type of game can average 220+ on the softest of conditions, but to put it as cliche as possible....WHERE IS THE BEEF? Where are the people, associations, tournament directors that can stand up for him and say:
"Oh well Robert is an accomplished player that has (xxx)tournament victories, youth cashes, titles, award scores, accolades on tough conditions.
THIS!! is why people just can't buy this kid. It's the tree falling in the forest and no one around to hear it theory. Did it happen or not?
In my honest opinion, I believe he shot a "900" be it practice, or what have you only because I've seen physically terrible bowlers come within 3-6 shots themselves of achieving ultimate perfection due to unbelievably easy conditions and high powered equipment. Upon realizing what he did I believe that every effort made, legally or illegally was used to get this "feat" approved. It's cut and dry, there's many ways to trick the CPU into registering all strikes, anyone that's ever operated any type of bowling computer system realizes this. But who can prove anything?
I really don't care anymore because as we all know, scores are pointless....Wins is the only estimate in where a player can achieve respect in today's Bowling environment. Lefty, you should know this.... I laugh at people impressed by scores, it's almost like people that watch illusionists and ohh and ahh at every "trick" that must be "magic" because there's no way they could have done it without "super powers".
Ha!
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Post by: LuckyLefty on June 25, 2006, 03:08:05 AM
It is tough to get a lot of tournament wins...titles, at age 17!
Especially if you are still involved in lot of other activities...golf team..swim team as is this young fella.
In waterskiing a few years ago a fellow tied the world record in a small town tourney after skiing officially in courses and tournaments for I think only a year or two years! There was trememendous resentment towards this individual!
Favorable drivers were alleged...great conditions...etc. The guy then went out to the pro tour and frankly suffered! He frankly only seemed to perform well on pristine conditions and also cracked under pressure for a couple of years.
He stuck at it! All of a sudden he became the World champion. Then he broke the world record...then again. If memory serves me right another World title came. His name was Jeff Rodgers...by the end of it he received a good amountof respect(I'm not sure if he ever became known as a rough water condition skier(aka sport conditions I guess in their sport). But he did get known as being a guy that could set records on favorable conditions at the highest levels of competition! After a long period of pain!
Today in the Pro Golf scene there is a pro who just about 3 years ago won his one and only title the British Open challenging to win for the first time in since. His name is Ben Curtis..The British Open was his very first major entered as a Pro..and he won. It was considered a tremendous fluke. In many ways one would say he has a somewhat amateur looking swing...though better than it was when he became British Open champ! Now coincidentally today he will probably win his first US title. This could be a breakthrough for him and pave the way to a much brighter future!
Now none of this means Robert Mushtare will ever become the World's greatest bowler...(I have no idea).
However what we do know...is that great series are possible by people with the right mindset.
Right after I had my little out of body experience in my profile(I've had others in other sports also). A friend of mine who had never had a 700...shot 848. He told me point blank..."I saw what you did and I said...I can do something too"
I believe this is the way people should be looking at Robert Mustare's accomplishment...
"Hey...why not me!"
ESPECIALLY IF they like their own form better than his! If you've got anger about his sets...turn it into positive energy...for yourself! Don't waste your time decrying the USBC..state of bowling etc...go out...throw a 900!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS if memory serves me right we have a member on here who can really throw it..32 in a row to start a set if I remember! Go Jon GO!
PPS I believe all those with an 850 set should get mad and say...I'm gonna get me one!
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
Edited on 6/25/2006 3:08 AM
Post by: spinitmopper on June 25, 2006, 08:30:34 PM
Post by: pointless_3 on June 25, 2006, 10:33:27 PM
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- Richard (Ricky) Brown
When do I get a nickname?
Post by: spinitmopper on June 25, 2006, 11:13:58 PM
Post by: Lane1fanatic on June 25, 2006, 11:21:51 PM
http://news10now.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=70374
If you read along it has Robert saying this, "I'm over here every chance I get. I'm throwing as many games as I can. Even if I'm not bowling games, i'm just rolling the ball to roll the ball."
Is it just me or is this guy taking some "special" classes? Also is this the way he can predict when he's going to leave a single pin? If so I better get my butt to the bowling alley.
The news station also had said, "Mushtare says he's rolled more than 30-300 games in his life."
How come none of them are in the record books on bowl.com? Those damn pre-bowls just didn't go through I guess...Atleast his 900s did. LOL
Edited on 6/25/2006 11:19 PM
Post by: calibowler on June 26, 2006, 03:39:32 AM
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Karen Rosprim
CSU Fresno
"If you want some, come get some..."
Post by: LuckyLefty on June 26, 2006, 11:33:14 AM
But I think you hit the nail on the head..."his style is very conducive to throwing a lot of strikes on a wide open shot".
I agree and it is firm, and forward...ball looks to have a ton of energy left at the pocket. I bowl right now withabout 3 guys in our house look to have that type of energy but they are more around the ball and don't look to be as direct or what I call Mika style firm(ball released in a firm direct and somewhat accurate way as Mushtare.
They have a ton of 790s 800s and usually shoot a 279 on our tough scoring house nearly every time we pot bowl with them.
For the rest of us in our pretty competitive house in our medium size metro area...I don't see that type of energy!
NOW add the other element...the mental side of getting in a groove and holding it...a unique skill. Much of it has to be PRE programmed. Very few do that about 900! In golf there is a unique school called Vision54(the ability to shoot 54 for 18). Very few people spend time preparing for that.
Your two handed friend is close...he may now be in the early stages of preparing for 900 mentally. I guarantee if asked Mushtare will tell you..."Well after a got a few 300s I sort of had a feeling ..."I had been thinking that if I got one..the shot was nice...I could get two...."
Probably on in this mode..."I had one in practice and then two one day...I started thinking about it...and then I found myself dreaming about it...".
It goes like that...how do I know...well let's just put it this way...there is golf ...and Vision 54!
Recently in our very deep gutters and tough carry center....a great bowler...he averages 240 nearly in every area center but ours..so he doesn't go to those easier ones and does very well in nationals often.
Shot 300 300 248. I don't know if 300 300 had been shot in our center since they added synthetics and got the gutters to 3 1/2 inches down(6 and 4 pin trap) (in fact I didn't think it could be done there). He got a 9 count after about 26 in a row.... He nearly fainted with relief the pressure was so great!
(He had not prepared his mind as carry is never good enough to consider it).
Needless to say if he took his same game to Pine Plains or other centers in our area which have sidewalls like Pine Plains I believe he would develop the mindset to do it! But not the other day!)
In agreement...it takes soft conditions a powerful bowler and lively sidewalls to shoot 900! AND most importantly...the mindset..that YOU EXPECT it! THis is usually the missing element in all pursuits of 900!
REGards,
Luckylefty
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
Edited on 6/26/2006 11:32 AM
Post by: El Capitán on June 26, 2006, 01:18:04 PM
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What I am getting at is, Mr. Mushtare will always be associated with controversy not because of the fact that his 900(s) were sanctioned, but for the mere multitude of 300/900 games he claims with no substantial proof or other accolades to go with besides these.
DP3,
His high sanctioned series before the '900s' was 852 (i think). he has several 800s and 300s... which would be why some people think he may have done the 9s.
I don't think he did it though. I'm starting to give way to the idea that he might have done it the first time and only said he did it again cus the first one got denied. But i'm leary, lol.
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The Striking King.
More Spares = 200 avg.
More Spares Plus Strikes = 220 avg.
Edited on 6/26/2006 1:17 PM
Post by: onerevaway on June 26, 2006, 01:35:35 PM