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onerevaway

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Mushtare on ESPN Sunday Morning!!
« on: July 27, 2006, 04:15:55 PM »
Just want to know whose going to watch this pathetic show of mushtare on sunday and im just wondering what they are going to show considering he didnt do anything anyone interested??

 

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Re: Mushtare on ESPN Sunday Morning!!
« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2006, 01:24:05 AM »
All ir says now:

Mushtare is a cheat - did not even come close to hitting them
USBC is just a blow hard - accepting two 900's when no evidence he did it, or no evidence he didn't. Why don't we all just get our own bowling alley, and have our dad put our scores on there for us!

USBC made theirselves look totallY stupid before JOG, interviewing Mushtare. And then when he failed to get in the cut, his name totally vanished.

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Re: Mushtare on ESPN Sunday Morning!!
« Reply #62 on: August 01, 2006, 12:26:54 PM »
I"ve posted in another thread the odds for bowlers who can throw strikes what there odds are when bowling on easy conditions.

Over there I made the comment...forget Mushtare...forget the emotion.
900s are possible in a reasonable time frame for top flite strikers on blended top hats in a reasonable number of sets.  Tim Mack and Jeff Carter if they spent much time on these shots could easily achieve multiple 900s on these types of shots!

The fact is the elite strikers(note I did not say bowlers) in the game are not spending much time bowling on these conditions...they are instead spending their time bowling on conditions that will make them money(often tough!).

If they spent their time on these easier conditions bowling with little transition they would have many 900s in their career!

Calculating the odds for the average bowler are absurd...it is NEVER going to happen!  Calculating the odds for bowlers who can throw 9+ strikes a game(never happen on pro tour or sport conditions(agreed)) is a more rational and relavent exercise to see if it is possible multiple times!
It is.

Take a look at the numbers.  SO many have relied on the statistics to say statistically it could not be done...are looking at a class of bowler that could NEVER do it!  The average bowler!  NOt even a chance in the next billion years!

See my other post!

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PS from what I saw...Steven Black is completely capable of it...just spend more time off tourney conditions and more time on easy conditions!  GReat ball!
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Re: Mushtare on ESPN Sunday Morning!!
« Reply #63 on: August 01, 2006, 12:28:41 PM »
You two really need to get a room.
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Re: Mushtare on ESPN Sunday Morning!!
« Reply #64 on: August 01, 2006, 12:29:49 PM »
LL, Jeff Carter threw 33 sets on that type of condition.  By his own admission he never came close to 900.  How do you explain that?
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Re: Mushtare on ESPN Sunday Morning!!
« Reply #65 on: August 01, 2006, 12:56:18 PM »
8/1000 = 1/125.

That is all I can list, these are strictly statistical numbers and do not speak to the emotions of the bowler!

I wonder if he had 36 in a row in practice...I bet he did...only he would know!

If statistics came true he needed over 90 more sets to statistically have it happen once!

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Re: Mushtare on ESPN Sunday Morning!!
« Reply #66 on: August 01, 2006, 01:16:50 PM »
All "good bowlers" do not bowl on "tough" conditions only.  To assume that "good bowlers" don't spend enough time on "easy" conditions is absurd.  There is soooo much more to becoming a pro bowler or tounament bowler than just being good.  You also have to have commitment and desire because you are not going to be the best thing since sliced bread the first week out.  So many people including myself decide to just live life as it comes; have a job, family, life other than bowling.  This does not mean that they are not capable of bowling big scores.  But to think that there are no amatuers capable of bowling 900 is false.  Yet only a small number has done it.  So in a nutshell I think that the Bowler's Journal statistics are more correct than LuckyLefty's.  "Tough" conditions have only been around for less than 10 years.  Before that, even pro bowlers bowled on "easy" shots.  Granted that today's equipment is better, but I have to believe that bowlers from the past were technically better.  That is a lot of bowling without a "statistic" 900.

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Re: Mushtare on ESPN Sunday Morning!!
« Reply #67 on: August 01, 2006, 01:25:42 PM »
quote:
8/1000 = 1/125.

That is all I can list, these are strictly statistical numbers and do not speak to the emotions of the bowler!

I wonder if he had 36 in a row in practice...I bet he did...only he would know!

If statistics came true he needed over 90 more sets to statistically have it happen once!

REgards,

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If we believe you flawed calulations are correct, lets look at this in the whole and not in a vaccuum.

The season before and the season after his 263, what were his averages. Let's assume they were 240-250. If you follow your logic, then within those 90 sets on the same easy house shot Mr. Carter should have shot 900. And just to make it easy for you Lefty, we will assume 33 weeks of league each year so that is 99 sets, with very little  reduction of the strikes per game. So he should have shot at least 1 900 series. yet, he didn't. Didn't even come close by his own admission. Let me guess, he didn't because he didn;t use your new age mind meld way of thinking?
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Re: Mushtare on ESPN Sunday Morning!!
« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2006, 01:28:34 PM »
Can you both take this elsewhere? You're on two threads arguing. Make your own and go wild.
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Re: Mushtare on ESPN Sunday Morning!!
« Reply #69 on: August 01, 2006, 01:30:32 PM »
this is assuming he only bowled once a week also.

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Re: Mushtare on ESPN Sunday Morning!!
« Reply #70 on: August 01, 2006, 01:31:29 PM »
I just watched the OTL story, thanks for the link, D Pat.  I only have to say one thing...the kid's eye twitched when "lie detector" was mentioned to him.  It twitched a couple more times in that part of the segment.  That, to me, is a tell.
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Re: Mushtare on ESPN Sunday Morning!!
« Reply #71 on: August 01, 2006, 06:45:13 PM »
NOTHING TO GAIN AND EVERYTHING TO LOSE!! when actually he has everything to gain and since he would be caught lying anyways he has everything to lose as well!! I know robert just said he would for the cameras but for his dad to say that cmon robert u know ur going to end up like palmeiro get caught and be gone!!