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Silencer

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National Pepsi Handicap
« on: July 15, 2008, 10:11:04 PM »
While we are on the subject of talking about tournaments that allow things to happen to make it a joke, here is another great example.

The kid currently leading in boys handicap division 2, has an 8 game total with handicap of 2072. The kid gets 81 pins a game and handicap is based off of 200 so that means he entered with a 110 average. That was a rerate from his 97 average at the state level in California.

This means he shot 1424 for 8 games which is a 178 average. This is coming from a kid who entered a tournament with a 97 average 3 months ago and a 110 average for this tournament. Allowing this kind of stuff to happen is the reason why bowling is looked on so bad to the rest of the world and has no respect and no money in it.

What's worse is I have heard plenty of parents who are having their kids do this on purpose, starting at ages as low as 5, so they can start winning alot of scholarship.

WHAT A JOKE!
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NJStroker

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Re: National Pepsi Handicap
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2008, 11:16:09 AM »
well pepsi scratch is still gonna be there from what i've heard, but handicap is gone.
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Re: National Pepsi Handicap
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2008, 11:20:59 AM »
It is rediculous. I'm 15 with a 188 average, I advanced through the district level of qualifying for the California Pepsi Tournament, I went to the State level at Fountain Bowl. I bowled horrible on the US Open pattern.

Out of those who advanced to the National Level, or were in the spots to advance when I left, there was only 1 person with an average higher than 130 that had a chance to advance to the National Tournament
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Re: National Pepsi Handicap
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2008, 11:23:33 AM »
I started when I was 3, but it had nothing to do with trying to win alot of scholarship. Whats wrong with starting competitive bowling early in life?




The solution to all of this is of course to only bowl scratch.
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Re: National Pepsi Handicap
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2008, 11:24:52 AM »
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I started when I was 3, but it had nothing to do with trying to win alot of scholarship. Whats wrong with starting competitive bowling early in life?
I assume he meant the parents have the kid start sandbagging early and learning how to cheat the system?
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Re: National Pepsi Handicap
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2008, 03:41:19 PM »
Yes that is what I meant. The parents are having their kids do it on purpose at an early age. I think it's great that kids at all ages can compete in bowling and I am totally al for it. But please tell me how a kid can enter a tournament at the state level with a 97 average, which means he was even lower at the regional level, and then 3 months later be able to average 178 scratch for 8 games???

I don't care if u are the next god of bowling, you aren't going to get 90 pins better in 3 months.

SVstar34, trust me, when I heard that even the handicap division was bowling on the US Open pattern at the state level, I almost gagged. I have a few friends that are in the handicap division that average around 170 or so and I told them that if I were them, I would complain as much as possible to the directors. A handicap bowler that has any kind of hook on that shot is not going to come near their average. So they basically have no chance. But a straight bowler that averages 110, the oil pattern has no effect on their ball and they will at the very least shoot their average.

I think it was great to put the scratch divisions on that pattern, but handicap should not have been mixed it. I don't know where you are from, but for a 175 bowler to travel from lets say Sacramento, to come all the way down to Southern California, to bowl on the toughest shot they have ever seen, and will have to average for 6 games about 30 pins above their average on it is insane and a total waste of money for the trip.
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Re: National Pepsi Handicap
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2008, 07:32:47 PM »
This has happened to me in many cases, and it really pisses me off. I ended up bowling constant 180s, 190s from my 150 average. (I've always done good at the house due to their awkward oil pattern) Then there comes some sandbagging little kid averaging 80 in their house, and comes out big shooting 150. I'm actually glad that the handicap is now gone. I can't really go scratch yet cause i'm not good enough but if I ever went in handicap, I'd get the Sh*t kicked out of me by some little sandbagging kid who's parents acutally encourage sandbagging.
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Re: National Pepsi Handicap
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2008, 05:59:34 PM »
This is horrible but the truth of the matter is it happens at all ages.  I was just in a No-Tap tournament today in Mt. Pleasant Mich...the guys who won shot 1750 or so with 175 to 180 averages.  It is what it is, but they have to live with that.  I do what I can by trying to be the best that I can.  

These guys probably have kids that they are teaching this too and that is why you are having the problems that you do.

Truth be told you will never get away from it.  You do what you can to be the best, cheaters never, and I mean NEVER prevail.  They will get what they have coming to them some way and some day.
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Re: National Pepsi Handicap
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2008, 06:00:56 PM »
Oh yea, good youth coaching would fix that.  Bad role models (parents) don't make good coaches.
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Re: National Pepsi Handicap
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2008, 06:13:07 PM »
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This is horrible but the truth of the matter is it happens at all ages.  I was just in a No-Tap tournament today in Mt. Pleasant Mich...the guys who won shot 1750 or so with 175 to 180 averages.  It is what it is, but they have to live with that.  I do what I can by trying to be the best that I can.  

These guys probably have kids that they are teaching this too and that is why you are having the problems that you do.

Truth be told you will never get away from it.  You do what you can to be the best, cheaters never, and I mean NEVER prevail.  They will get what they have coming to them some way and some day.


175-180 averages...pretty legit for a 9 pin no tap if you ask me.
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Re: National Pepsi Handicap
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2008, 02:18:33 AM »
The difference between a 180 bowler and a 220 bowler is not the spares but the strikes. So if they are a bowler that is consistently at the pocket but doesn't carry much, to shoot huge in a tournament that is no tap isn't that out of the ordinary
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