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Joe Jr

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Update on Mush are Gold
« on: July 10, 2006, 07:43:51 AM »
Not sure anyone cares but Jeff Mop is giving updates.

Update1:
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If you want to read an ACTUAL report, I'm sitting here at Boca Bowl where Mushtare is actually bowling his first round (no, he didn't prebowl). His first game started off with a strike, then he went Big 4, missed them all (one of the corners was out, so it was 7-), then he flagged the headpin left leaving the 1-3-6 and chopped the headpin clean off. At this point, he had 32 in the third. He did make a nice comeback, though, going triple, then spare strike spare strike the rest of the game for 191.

I didn't see most of the second game, but I did see a runaway brooklyn where he left a 5-pin. He also finished the game X 7/ S8- XXX for 200 on the dot. He is now -9 after 2.

The pattern in this center is a 35 foot pattern. The breakpoint is out near 5, so bowlers are either playing up the gutter or freewheeling it. Mushtare is freewheeling it, but the lanes will start carrying down soon, so he will get some push in the middle, but it might come at the expense of bringing the ball back from the outsides. We'll see what happens.


The kid actually doesn't throw the ball half bad. He definitely throws it better than on that video clip from the news report we all saw. Still, he grabs and hits up on the ball a TON. His accuracy needs lots of work as well, partly because of how much he grabs it at the bottom.

There is a news crew here following him around. Rumor has it it's ESPN, but it could be a local crew. I can't tell.

I will update as the squad goes on

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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2006, 09:57:49 AM »
I think this is SO great...one of bowling's establishments makes some very positive comments about his game...and you guys direct your disparaging comments towards me.  While ingoring what was said...and the knowledgeable source...
This makes you look like an ....

How great...for you...

Your jealousy towards this young man shows thru....making you look...

REgards,

Luckylefty


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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2006, 10:28:45 AM »
THE ESTABLISHMENT DID NOT HAVE THE GUTS TO DENY HIS SCORE.

So of course they are going to try to gloss everything over...

Do you really expect a Team USA coach to say something like " wow this kid really sucks!  HE can't hit the broad side of the barn.  I guess the people who pay my salary and let me travel all over the world on their dime really missed this one!!!!  What were they thinking by passing his 2 obviously bogus honor series...."

Lets get real.

LL sorry man but I think you have missed the boat on this one.

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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2006, 12:22:21 PM »
that is y i asked before y he never did gold survivors because let me tell u one kid went plus 450 for 6 games which included two 300s but there were some shots were he just didnt carry no one shoots 36 in a row that many times not possible..best youth bowlers in the nation at JOG and not one person came close to shootitng 900 on a shot that was prob as easy as pine plaines...oh and lukcylefty now that ur defending how he throws it since u were saying he was going to do awesome at JOG and he failed u on that as well of course ross is not going to say that he thought mushtare threw a terrible ball and that there is doubt he shot those 900s u think bowl.com would put that up there give me a break!! im telling u kids i talked to at JOG were not impressed by him at all and were laughing at the fact that ESPN was taping him they have nothing to show because he did nothing at JOG!!  what bowl.com also doesnt tell u is that usbc knows mushtare cheated but with no proof they couldnt deny his claims without getting sued i found that out in florida as well!! the kids a hack luckylefty or should i say robert mushtare??

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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2006, 12:52:08 PM »
NEVER...did I say he would do well at JOG!  With no experience and no special drilling preparation I believe he went into a hornet's nest!

NEVER...show me where I said that!

I emphasized instead the difference between having a game for wide open shots and a game for JOG and sport shots!

I saw many a small ladies game(they were not all small) look like it fit very nicely at JOG.

Robert Mushtare has a very BIG game and with proper preparation and drillings he could tear up JOG also.

His technique is compact and extremely powerful in every aspect.  I also believe he is quite accurate but like most first time jog bowlers and sport shot bowlers they struggle with all the middle spares and combo spares.
When watching him I was under the distinct opinion that he just couldn't figure out a matchup of where to stand for the drillings he had.  A place I had once been until I figured our a set of smooth drillings for these types of patterns but without them very low scoring was and is possible for me and I believe for anybody.

Also I watched him for about 6 games I thought he was better than most cranker style bowlers at 10 pins as I don't remember a miss...but there may have been one!

This week I understand that per ESPN's request Pete Weber is going to Robert Mushtare's center to bowl him on his own turf(something noone on this site could find there keys for).  Depending on How much Pete gets into his head MAYBE Pete will take him.  I expect that to be a hell of a tussle with Pete ending up impressed and ESPN having to change it's story line from one of emphasizing possible cheating to "Phenom in development!"

That is a prediction I WILL make!

Stay tuned.

Prediction from me that he would be a great first time JOG bowler with no. preparation...NEVER!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS furthermore...I would like to say I saw some other absolutely GREAT bowlers at JOG...there were several men's game there on the right side that reminded me of of the great Dave Davis's game on the left.  Tremendous speed great extension ...good revs and small board coverage...great for JOG as I saw it!
I did not get all the names but I loved the throws!
PPS I did say that I would like to see the Crowned Champion Matt Ogrady bowl Robert Mushtare at his center BEFORE this competition and would like to also congratulate the Young and obviously great Mr. Ogrady for his incredible accomplishment...if I did not have so much pressing business I would have found his squad and watched!  Kudos!

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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2006, 12:58:44 PM »
sandbaggin that is true when i watched him at JOG he did miss some fairly easy spares and there shots that he didnt carry i have a pocket 7 10 that he left on tape u should see his face he looks surprised that he left it haha!! ill try to get that up on here!!  when he didnt make cut he talked about all the pressure im sorry man but u brought that pressure on urself!!

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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2006, 01:07:07 PM »
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Robert Mushtare has a very BIG game and with proper preparation and drillings he could tear up JOG also.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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I just don't get one thing!! Why both of the 900's are Pre-bowl???? Is this a pre-bowl league? I don't question his ability but pre-bowl???? both???? I think if those pre-bowl stuff can clear up I am sure alot of people will feel dif. Yea 186 on sport is good for a kid but for some one who has 2 900's should have make the team.
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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2006, 01:19:46 PM »
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I'm wondering how many 300 games Jeff Carter had in the 2000-2001 season in the league he bowled in when he averaged 261 or even all of the league and tournaments he bowled in altogether that season.  I wouldn't be surprised if the number of 300 games in the league he averaged 261 in was less than 9.


I wouldn't say that. Incase you don't know, Jeff has 108 300 games.

Either way i'm so over this kid. Let it go, move on it's over.
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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2006, 01:50:43 PM »

This week I understand that per ESPN's request Pete Weber is going to Robert Mushtare's center to bowl him on his own turf(something noone on this site could find there keys for).  Depending on How much Pete gets into his head MAYBE Pete will take him.  I expect that to be a hell of a tussle with Pete ending up impressed and ESPN having to change it's story line from one of emphasizing possible cheating to "Phenom in development!"

That is a prediction I WILL make!

Stay tuned.




Lefty,

Please tell me you are kidding.  You think MustCheat will give PDW a tussle?  You know, that special needs child won an ESPY last night for scoring 20 points in 6 minutes.  You think he could take Kobe one-on-one?  I apologize if I come off as crude, but sometimes I find it hard to believe that you even believe half the idolization dribble that comes out of your own mouth.


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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2006, 02:56:45 PM »
The quote LL put is true, I have read it on more then one site. We also have discussed how Mr Ross should have not mentioned the 900 series in his quote. A lot of repected bowlers who have not met Coach Ross, have said they have lost a little respect for him by these comments. No one disagrees that Musthare*'s game isn't good, he throws a powerful ball. But so do hundred's of other bowlers that can't claim 1, much less 5 900 series. The ability of his game doesn't mean the scores are legitimate.

With reading of these in progress updates, I think it drapes his accomplishments in even more doubt. Someone who has the ability to shoot 5 perfect series in a 6 month period, should be able to display more spare shooting ability and more accuracy then these updates show. While his armswing and release are good, it appears his accuracy and mental game isn't up to snuff. And those are the 2 things needed in order to shoot a 900 series, IMHO. So for those that have chosen to believe his claims, they will make excuses as to why he bowled bad at JOG, first time on sport shot, too much pressure from the media, ESPN camera crew, etc etc etc. But these updates show that even while his overall score might be respectable for a normal bowler, he made many mental mistakes and fell well below expectations for a bowler who has accomplished what he has claimed. So LL, please tell us how if Musthare* is a legitimate 900 series bowler, something that takes more mental toughness then one can imagine, he made all these mental mistakes in this tournament? The answer is easy, his claims are not true.
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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2006, 03:18:05 PM »
I've written this before and I will again.

Several years ago.

A very good bowler in South Florida who I respect a bunch.(regional champ??? almost...maybe...not sure) came in to a WTC tourney.

They were having a little sweeper on the shot...I entered at the last minute.

The acquaintance above told me that the night before with his brand new Messenger Ti he had shot an 855 in league the night before...

Like me he is lefty and we got paired up with the great Dave Davis just 3 lefties.

In the sweeper which was a tight shot with OB on the outside and no hold area on the inside.

100 bowlers...some pro tour guys.  After 2 games...Jason Couch first...Dave Davis second...luckylefty 3rd.  All scores just slightly under 500 for two say 480!

I cause a scoring error in game 3 the error takes it seems a half hour to fix...I choke and finish with a bad game and end up about 640.  Jason Couch first, Dave Davis second...me 11th or so many sub 600s shot...our 855 friend shoots...465?  or 481?  I forget.

I immediately conclude ...tell me if this is correct?
1.  I am better than him!
2.  He didn't shoot the 855
3.  I can shoot 860...or maybe 855 + the difference in our scores that day!
4.  He used the wrong ball...is 3 times better than me and I can't shoot 750 if my life depended on it!

Correct answer
A..... 1,2 and 3
B.....  1 only
C.....  2 only
D ....  3 only
E ..... only 4!!!

I believe given the logic given above if any of the commentators above would only be able to answer A B C or D if they took and applied theire "Mushtare" mindset to the above situation.  My answer is E!

Here is my statement.  Robert Mushtare is very very good.  Robert Mushtare is powerful and accurate.  Robert Mushtare is awesome on open conditions.
Robert Mushtare is not so great YET on sport conditions(missed cut by 6 pins).
Robert Mushtare will show his open shot prowess when he and Pete Weber meet and they have a hell of a fun and high scoring match in his home house.!  We don't have to wait long...I believe this weekend is the scheduled date.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS if the bowler above recognizes himself above...I apologize...I have the greatest of respect for your bowling and believe that you could shoot 900 any day also!!
PPS as a golfer who was well noted for birdies in a row but not so well known for scrambling for pars...I believe there is a significant difference in the mental attitude to keep a great score going and scrambling to maintain mediocrity!



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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2006, 03:27:47 PM »
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Here is my statement.  Robert Mushtare is very very good.  Robert Mushtare is powerful and accurate. quote]

How can you say that?!? Every post about his game shows he is anything but accurate. So all these people watching him are lying? I don't think so.

And as far as your quiz, I think you have helped me back up my point. This bowler in question, the one who should have shot 900, has he? Im guessing not. I know other bowlers just like him, better then I can ever hope to be, I can watch them throw 3,4,5 + games and tell me what spot they are going to hit at the arrows and at the breakpoint and be within 1-2 boards every shot. But none of them have a 900 series. Even on easy house shots!! So please don't try and say that a guy that sprays the ball like Musthare* is witnessed to have done, shot 5 900 series in 6 months as he is claiming. If you really and truely believe that, then I feel very sorry for you. Because either you have or you will spend your life getting used by people as they take advantage of your gullibility.
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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2006, 04:05:36 PM »
I do beleived that you can get let say 80 pins more if you are bowling alone without the other team being there!!!! I think The word PRE-BOWL has alot to why other don't think he did It sound like yea I did it in practic.

Now forget mr Mustard World War III is and is so hot grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2006, 04:39:24 PM »
I did not see a lot of inaccuracy...I WAS THERE!

INSTEAD I  saw a lot of indecision as to where to stand and what to aim at.

I believe these conditions can affect a big game more than a small game.

I saw some wonderful woman bowlers with games that reminded me of Carolyn Dorin Ballard playing and scoring beautifully playing a game that almost looked like their normal up the second arrow game from league with a one board hook.

I believe that Robert Mushtare needed practice time on the shots, different drillings and in one case I believe he had found a good ball matchup but was trying to find the line thru tremendous speed INSTEAD of moving his feet much deeper!

NOte...let me list a group of bowlers I have been fortunate enough to stumble across and practice with on an either regular or almost everyday basis for awhile, or bowl league with to give you my point of reference as to my opinions.

Dave Davis...PBA Hall of Famer ...20 wins on the PBA tour and PBA player of the year 1967(some consider the greatest form bowler of all time(I agree).  Steve Wilson, several time PBA champion(recent),  Dennis Psarapoulous(runnerup last year senior US open championships...6th this year?),
Jimmy Keeth(biggest cranker of all time and PBA champion(RIP), in my new location I also bowl with the #2 300 bowler in bowling(to Jeff CArter on this site) and a recorded 868 series, and  multiple 800 shooter Roy Becker of the Petersburg VA area who probably scored 20 800s over his multiple leagues a couple of years ago in a single season(struggles on sport conditions till recently).

Of the list above I believe only Mr. #2 on the 300 list and Roy Becker and Robert Mushtare are capable of 900s.

Robert Mushtare and Roy BEcker throw two of the most dynamic free armswing crushing striking balls I have ever seen!

On difficult conditions I would take the more direct games of the beginning of the list.  If my goal is find someone to shoot 900 I take one of the horses on the bottom of the list!

And anyway...why argue with me... why don't you tell the coach of the US team he's an idiot!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS again...Robert Mushtare's open shot bowling will soon be compared to the Great Pete Weber's head to head.  I believe you will hear some praise coming out of Pete's mouth win lose or draw!...you can kiss my grits....THEN!
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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2006, 04:41:31 PM »
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Here is my statement.  Robert Mushtare is very very good.  Robert Mushtare is powerful and accurate.  Robert Mushtare is awesome on open conditions.
Robert Mushtare is not so great YET on sport conditions(missed cut by 6 pins).
Robert Mushtare will show his open shot prowess when he and Pete Weber meet and they have a hell of a fun and high scoring match in his home house.!  We don't have to wait long...I believe this weekend is the scheduled date.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS if the bowler above recognizes himself above...I apologize...I have the greatest of respect for your bowling and believe that you could shoot 900 any day also!!
PPS as a golfer who was well noted for birdies in a row but not so well known for scrambling for pars...I believe there is a significant difference in the mental attitude to keep a great score going and scrambling to maintain mediocrity!



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This is so sad.

200+ other people bowl better than Mushtare, a br.com member Matt O'Grady wins the thing and the first person LL mentions that is "very very good" and "accurate" (which is laughable) is Mushtare.  You are crazy.
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Re: Update on Mush are Gold
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2006, 05:13:09 PM »
I did see other VERY good bowlers...and said so!  Capable of 900?....ummmm....

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Luckylefty
PS I did not see any others more likely to shoot 900...than RM one of the most dynamic games I've ever seen.
I did not see all squads!  Rushed in and out and saw MAYBE...five games total!
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