Author Topic: Why youth bowling sucks (Read 2938 times)

Speedburner89 · « **on:** September 21, 2005, 07:51:48 AM »

#1: In morning league you never get difficult shots
#2: Most Youth Bowlers under 16 don't have jobs, hence no money for more equipment
#3: As a youth bowler, you're still growing so you'll need to get new equipment fairly often to compensate for your changing span, etc.
#4: The competition is quite poor. (If you're the top team in league, you seem to have no competition close to you, and every other week you bowl a team that has at least 200 pins more handicap than your own)
#5: Face it, no youth bowlers care about their closets full of worthless trophies
#6: Some youth leagues bowl as early as 8 or 9 in the morning, I don't know about you, but a good nights rest usually helps your bowling after having to wake up at 6 in the morning every week day for school
#7: There is nowhere near as much variety in leagues for youth as there are for adults

Platinum Bowler · « **Reply #16 on:** September 21, 2005, 08:13:37 PM »

Junior bowling is fine...your just a lazy, whiny person. BTW, #1 is a huge lie, and #5 could never be truer.
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Speedburner89 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 21, 2005, 08:26:15 PM »

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your just a lazy, whiny person

Lazy: Yes
Whiny: maybe a little

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#1 is a huge lie

I was making a generalization, as in most morning league shots are pain staking-ly easy

Brandon Riley · « **Reply #18 on:** September 21, 2005, 10:35:35 PM »

1) You are 18, and 1/2 the league is 8.
2) The centre thinks its a good idea to not use much oil because youth bowlers like to hook the ball lots
3) You simply don't care because you only contribue $1 in prize fund a week anyways.

icetink · « **Reply #19 on:** September 21, 2005, 10:59:20 PM »

1. The morning league I'm in (will) puts down sport shots, but for the past 2 weeks it's only been a 'more difficult' house shot (with out of bounds at 5).
2. All the people I'm bowling with are at least 16.
3. One can always plug and drill a thumb for a low and reasonable price.
4. The league I'm in is match play competition (no teams). I'm (probably) the lowest averaging bowler at approximately 180 so far.
5. The league I'm in does not award trophies, rather, we have match play competition for scholarship money.
6. My youth league starts 10am, which isn't bad at all. I get up at 6:30am on a weekday anyways.
7. I agree with you here.

I'm enjoying being a youth bowler!
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Waldorf Salad · « **Reply #20 on:** September 21, 2005, 11:06:45 PM »

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2. Kids under 16 don't pay the bills anyway

this doesn't always mean your parents will fork over money for your bowling

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Kids still growing shouldn't be using more than one ball anyway.

Thanks for that useful piece of information, maybe I can use more than one ball when I turn 21, i'll be just fine using my one ball for the next 5 years

Yeah, kids under 16 are pretty much dependant on their parents.

Why would you think you have to stay with one ball until age 21? Once you're fully grown and using 16 pound bowling balls or 15 if that's what you want to stay with, then you can start collecting more than one. 14-year-olds and under using ligher-weight balls don't need to be using more than one ball, they need to be thinking of their form and technique. Replacement cost and plug+redrill cost are high enough on a one ball arsenal at this stage of development.

Waldorf Salad · « **Reply #21 on:** September 21, 2005, 11:57:01 PM »

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2. Kids under 16 don't pay the bills anyway

this doesn't always mean your parents will fork over money for your bowling

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Kids still growing shouldn't be using more than one ball anyway.

Thanks for that useful piece of information, maybe I can use more than one ball when I turn 21, i'll be just fine using my one ball for the next 5 years

Yeah, kids under 16 are pretty much dependant on their parents.

Why would you think you have to stay with one ball until age 21? Once you're fully grown and using 16 pound bowling balls or 15 if that's what you want to stay with, then you can start collecting more than one. 14-year-olds and under using ligher-weight balls don't need to be using more than one ball, they need to be thinking of their form and technique. Replacement cost and plug+redrill cost are high enough on a one ball arsenal at this stage of development.

LOLOL... I was shooting solid honor scores at 14 and had about 6 balls even back then. It's even more necessary today being that most equipment is VERY condition specific. I think you may be confusing a beginning bowler with someone who has learned mechanics rather well. You should not be using age as your determining factor. Not always the case.
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If you'd stop laughing you'd have read that age wasn't the determining factor. I mentioned ball weight as well along with age. Everyone grows different. What weight were those six balls? Once you've reached your permanent ball weight you don't have to discard the old ones. Also, where'd the six balls come from? The typical 14-year-old doesn't have the resources or to acquire a quality 6 ball arsenal.

HamPster · « **Reply #22 on:** September 22, 2005, 07:22:03 AM »

I'm at my permanent weight, and I go through balls like crazy. Mostly it's because a lot of the ones I drill turn out to be crap. Bowling's just like anything other sport. Parents pay for football, baseball, or basketball stuff, so why not bowling balls? Bowling balls are almost like golf clubs now, you just about have to have 2 or 3 if you're ever going to get anywhere. Practicing with the wrong equipment can halt skill gain or really mess it up. If you give a kid a driver, a 3 and 7 iron and a pitching wedge, sure he can probably get by, but he's gonna pick up some bad habits. You think the pros would be as good as they are without the ability to drill four or five of the same ball four or five different ways? If I had the perfect ball for every condition, I can bet you I'd score a lot higher too. I think most 14 and 15 year olds throw 14's or 15's anyway.
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Smash49 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 22, 2005, 08:18:52 AM »

#1: In morning league you never get difficult shots
(Many youth bowlers would have no clue what to do with a difficult shot and cannot play on the easy one they have.) Coaching and Skill level Issue
#2: Most Youth Bowlers under 16 don't have jobs, hence no money for more equipment
(This probably effects more 14 and 15 year olds. 13 and under still have parents buy most everything.)
#3: As a youth bowler, you're still growing so you'll need to get new equipment fairly often to compensate for your changing span, etc.
(What can you do

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#4: The competition is quite poor. (If you're the top team in league, you seem to have no competition close to you, and every other week you bowl a team that has at least 200 pins more handicap than your own)
(Here again this is a coaching issue. Who is getting the coaching and from whom? Also to what degree. Many kids are coached from parents and better bowlers. Sometimes this is good and sometimes this is very bad. Example: If you hear someone yelling "Throw the ball harder honey" I'd look for a problem.
#5: Face it, no youth bowlers care about their closets full of worthless trophies
(Agreed believe or not I still have some hanging around. Scholarship money or something they can use is much better.)
#6: Some youth leagues bowl as early as 8 or 9 in the morning, I don't know about you, but a good nights rest usually helps your bowling after having to wake up at 6 in the morning every week day for school
(There are so many things now involving youth that it's hard to make time. In our area we have youth league and then go immediately to high school matches or travel league.)
#7: There is nowhere near as much variety in leagues for youth as there are for adults
(Aggressive competition is difficult when competition levels vary drastically. Handicap seems to not cut it. I have seen 18 yr olds bowling 10 yr olds?

I don't care how much handicap there is that isn't even interesting.)

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Speedburner89 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 22, 2005, 03:58:20 PM »

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The typical 14-year-old doesn't have the resources or to acquire a quality 6 ball arsenal.

This could not be more true, if you're younger than 14 or 15 and have a six ball arsenal consider yourself a privileged minority amongst your peers.

Speedburner89 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 22, 2005, 04:05:03 PM »

I'd like to thank smash49 and leftside for their quality posts, i found them interesting and helpful. Thank you for posting, keep up the good work

Platinum Bowler · « **Reply #26 on:** September 23, 2005, 01:14:47 AM »

Yee, just cause it sucks for you, and in your area, doesnt mean youth bowling sucks...
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Smash49 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 23, 2005, 09:14:04 AM »

Youth bowling has good things and bad things going on. The playing field is not level for the bowlers. Sure there are natural disadvantages some may be overcome by time and/or money.

A youth bowler needs to take the bull by the horns. Get involved and learn. There is so much that can be done on many levels. Tournaments, leagues and training. Find ways to get equipment, bowl tournament and get coaching.

Many bowlers bowl their 3 games a week and go home and that is it. They get nothing as far as coaching on the lanes and then they are not competitive. Even if they do improve they are only tapping a small portion of their ability. A large amount of the good ones lack basic information and have no idea about many advanced bowling skills. Example would be advanced team concepts and communication or pre-match/pre-game and pre-shot routines. We had a young lady that came to our program after being in 2 different youth programs and had no idea of what a board was targeting spare making concepts etc. She had been in YABA for nearly 10 years! All that changed.

If you want youth bowling to change you have to do it! Demand the best and be aggressive. Ask the question why and if your coach cannot show it to you in writing, prove it or demonstrate it then it is time to go hhhmmmm... Ask questions. Be open minded and expand your horizons.

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Smash49 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 23, 2005, 01:47:05 PM »

Leftside hit it right on target. Most of the so called youth coaches do not know anything about coaching or bowling for that matter. Many of them try to mold people into their image and their limited and maybe incorrect scope of bowling. Snobbish is also true. There may be a little civil war. Over the last 3 years I have seen a bunch of that kind of attitude. There are a lot of people that think they know bowling. They are unable to deliver it to other people. Some of my students have left these types of people speechless and in shock. Part of it is because were not in that little circle. They have never dealt with us before and most have never bowled YABA anything. Several have been bowling less than a year. We're about teaching kids to bowl and correctly without politics.

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Speedburner89 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 23, 2005, 04:10:56 PM »

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Youth bowling has good things and bad things going on. The playing field is not level for the bowlers. Sure there are natural disadvantages some may be overcome by time and/or money.

A youth bowler needs to take the bull by the horns. Get involved and learn. There is so much that can be done on many levels. Tournaments, leagues and training. Find ways to get equipment, bowl tournament and get coaching.

Many bowlers bowl their 3 games a week and go home and that is it. They get nothing as far as coaching on the lanes and then they are not competitive. Even if they do improve they are only tapping a small portion of their ability. A large amount of the good ones lack basic information and have no idea about many advanced bowling skills. Example would be advanced team concepts and communication or pre-match/pre-game and pre-shot routines. We had a young lady that came to our program after being in 2 different youth programs and had no idea of what a board was targeting spare making concepts etc. She had been in YABA for nearly 10 years! All that changed.

If you want youth bowling to change you have to do it! Demand the best and be aggressive. Ask the question why and if your coach cannot show it to you in writing, prove it or demonstrate it then it is time to go hhhmmmm... Ask questions. Be open minded and expand your horizons.

Smash49

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Looks like we have come to the conclusion that Youth Bowling dosent suck but your attitude REALLY sucks. If you have all those trophys in your closet donate them back to your local youth program so they can put a smile on other kids faces....And while you are at it trade in your bowling balls fo some barbie dolls....

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I respect the posts from Smash and leftside cause they are knowledgeable helpful people.

Remember, I'm the confined mind, not you, i spark the controversy and use it to spark intelligent replies, you should know that by now

trevman18 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 23, 2005, 09:31:07 PM »

I'd have to agree.
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